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Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: Magnetoman] #748855
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Just goes to show the importance of proper shake down rides.
With all the care & precision that went into the bike I for one was expecting a clean sheet for him.
At least with all the riding in the support vehicles the bot will have plenty of time to recover.


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Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: BSA_WM20] #748860
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Heading out in a few to see them come into the lunch stop in Winamac, IN. Should be fun!


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Magnetoman just pulled in. Repairs are working and he is having a good time.


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Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: Geoff] #748919
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Thanks- keep us posted, please.

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Our intrepid adventurer has just posted a picture of himself from Roselawn, Indiana. He's on the home stretch, fuelling up for the 30 mile run to the finish, 260 miles total for the day.

By the end of the day, the Canonball will have covered a third of its total distance, plus or minus.


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Our intrepid adventurer has finished, with first in his class, to boot. Bravo.


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Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: NYBSAGUY] #748955
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Quite the gentleman - i had a very nice time meeting him. Wishing him all the best on his endeavors west.


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Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: Geoff] #749014
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Originally Posted by Geoff
Magnetoman just pulled in. Repairs are working and he is having a good time.


Only thing that could have made it better would be doing it on a BSA, but you can't have everything.


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His "other bike" is a Goldie, no worries.

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Too right! BSA could build well engineered singles, just fell down a bit with their twins ! Well, except for their V twins !
But, anyway, good on MM. Interesting that BSA had to buy Ariel to add class ! Incidentally, BSA's first motorcycle product,a few years later than Triumph ( and Ariel) was a very much a copy of the Triumph single of the time !

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As MM often says, this Ariel is almost a BSA Gold Star, thanks to Val Page.

Today is another long, 250 mile plus, day, in lovely weather. A long flat romp across the mid-west, heading for the northern Great Plains.


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Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: Magnetoman] #749083
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He made it to Anamosa museum . I didnt see MM though.

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Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: Triless] #749108
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Originally Posted by Triless
Too right! BSA could build well engineered singles, just fell down a bit with their twins ! Well, except for their V twins !
But, anyway, good on MM. Interesting that BSA had to buy Ariel to add class ! Incidentally, BSA's first motorcycle product,a few years later than Triumph ( and Ariel) was a very much a copy of the Triumph single of the time !


Interesting, that is worth chasing up.Considering the first complete motorcycles BSA made were fitted with Minerva engine I would have expected their first complete engine to follow Minerva lines.

We also need to remember that BSA did not consider itself a motorcycle company till the late 60's by which time it was too late.
BSA was only making motorcycles to pay off the debts it incurred buying the land & building the factory to make rifles.
So spending a lot of money designing & developing motorcycles was very much not on the drawing board.
It just so happened that the same machines that made rifles could also make push bikes & motorcycles.
If it was more profitable to make sewing machine parts then we would not be here.
You need to keep this in mind when you look at things like wheels.
BSA made their own hubs & spokes but not the rims, why, because they had no rolling or roll forming machines and the same machines could not be used to make guns, so they got bought in .

It would appear that BSA made a lot of the parts used by other bicycle & motorcycle makers many of which were really assembly plants rather than manufacturing plants that took in raw metal and pumped out vehicles.
So it would be of little surprise to see lots of similarities between lots of period products.
Also remember that this is the age of slide rules so once a bore & stroke ratio is known to work reliably there is little incentive to change it.
Same for gear sets, tooth profiles etc etc etc.

The 2 speed box from my 1925 B2 ( should it ever get finished ) will drop right into any B or M rigid or punger frame with little more than a set of spacers.
Clutches can be interchanged between almost any BSA excludig the splined ( Burman ) clutch fitted to the plunger A series & Bantams.


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Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: konon] #749111
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Originally Posted by konon
He made it to Anamosa museum . I didnt see MM though.

He was probably dealing with the after-effects of the beans and cabbage from lunch.

A certain scene from "Blazing Saddles" keeps running through my mind...

Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: Magnetoman] #749126
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I got to meet Magnetoman yesterday at the lunch stop in Rock Falls, Illinois. He seemed to be having a good day, despite the repetitive pulled pork lunches offered at the various lunch stops:

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Great pictures TR6Ray (I looked at your gallery)

I note the strap tha MM has added to his panniers. I did think about commenting previously that it looked like the right one was touching his exhaust.

Does anyone know what happened to Tom or his bike? I see that the last 4 days he has had zero miles and on top of that 100 penalty points?

Is he OK, MM mentioned that he felt unwell on stage 2 and then the next day was rained off so i thought Tom would have been back in the saddle by now.

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Tom is feeling better, but has been told by the docs to stay off the bike for another day or so. He is hoping to get back in the saddle after the Rest Day. He and John are leaving Cedar Rapids now, and heading off on their own 260 mile slog.

So Charlie is on his own, setting solo speed records across the continent!


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Re: 1928 Ariel Model C [Re: TR6Ray] #749155
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Originally Posted by TR6Ray
I got to meet Magnetoman yesterday at the lunch stop in Rock Falls, Illinois. He seemed to be having a good day, despite the repetitive pulled pork lunches offered at the various lunch stops:

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Haha - he mentioned that to me as well. Apparently H-D dealers like to serve pulled pork for whatever reason smile


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I agree about the pictures from TR6Ray. Especially the 53 Harley Panhead. A gorgeous, original, daily rider. I'm not a Harley guy, but if I were, this would be the bike for me.


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"Apparently H-D dealers like to serve pulled pork for whatever reason :)"

His last instagram comment on the subject made me laugh.

Great to hear that Tom is on the mend. However I am bitterly disappointed for him to have come all this way and miss most of the first half.

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For those not on Instagram, John (above) was quit right about the panniers. Two straps have broken loose, necessitating the yellow wraparound fix. He also says that grease it oozing from every pore of the gearbox. Which I guess means that there is still grease in the gearbox. So far so good.


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The instagram photos show the magnifying glass over the oil tell tale is gone. I thought it would last until the rest day before being discarded but obviously MM twigged how useless it was much earlier. He is now learning how necessary old fashioned pannier racks are on rigid frame bikes. The classic example often seen are those fitted to ex WD M20 BSA's. I think Bike Beesa Trevor would confirm that. He is also learning that his gearbox may prefer an old fashioned plain grease that stays put inside rather than an up to date fancy grease that liquefies and leaks out everywhere.

I think there is a lot more to doing the Cannonball than meets the eye and MM's entry in this one is becoming an extended shakedown run for the next.

Finally, I hope Tom is well enough to ride soon. I note in the rules you have to complete a certain number of stages to be an official finisher. DNF on seven stages and you are listed as a DNF for the whole event. It would be hard to come so far only to get ill and be listed as a DNF. Everyone automatically thinks of a bike breakdown, not a rider breakdown. Get well soon Tom.

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Yes without any rear suspension throw overs take a pounding on a rigid bike
I curcumvented the need for them by fitting a quite ( read slightly too ) long rear rack.
Looks a little like this.
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The UK military standardised the canvas panniers fitted to war time bikes, they are about 10 times as thick as any modern throw overs and even then there was a standard support frame.
To be honest the gear sack throw overs that Cheryl & I used when we went bike camping were regularly being stiched up and they had the luxury of hanging off an OIF A65.


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As they set off on a super-long c350 mile dash to Pierre, SD, worth noting that the first two bikes to arrive yesterday were the Brough Superior, ridden by our dear friend Paul d'Orleans (aka The Vintagent) and the Ariel, ridden by MMan.

As for the magnifier for the sight glass, at the start in Portland, a week ago, Tridentman and I were chatting with Our Hero as he made his bike ready. "I thought you had a special lens for that?" said I. "No, I didn't bother with it in the end. It's in the truck.." said Charles.

No word from Tom, so I assume he's doing better, with medication and good company (Chaterlea 25). It is now like a gentle road trip across the country for Tom, with good roads and lovely weather. With the prospect of some very nice riding after the Rest Day.


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Uh oh...

The Brough, ridden by our friend The Vintagent, has no sparks this morning. Hope he gets going. Don't want Charles out front, on his own..


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