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Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741450
07/10/18 11:42 pm
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got there. got unloaded, went to pick up the minivan tire; came back and the wind had picked our canopy up in the air, squashed it on top ofthe bike on the paddock stand and tipped it over.

twisted a clip on around the fork tube and bent the gearshift lever.not bad, but tbe tarozzi rearsets are cast aluminum and break pretty easy if you bend them. that one has already.been welded once.so im going to run with it.

passed safety with no difficulty. they are so laid back here about the unimportant stuff. very easy to work with. i have some oil seeps to teflon, but the bike starts easily and runs okay. the 20/43 gearing is pretty high, but thats what i need. i'll keep it while i do timing, jets, and pipes, then see where we are. if the motor wont pull it, it will be pretty obvious, and ill switch down.

80 racers registered, racing starts tomorrow around noon, i think. i still have some little stuff to adjust and some test runs to make on tbe sidetrack.


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
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Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741454
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Have a great time, looking forward to the daily reports


1955 BSA Bantam D1 Plunger
1956 BSA A10RR Street and LSR Bike
1961 BSA C15S
1966 BSA spitfire
1969 Triumph T100C
1970 Triumph TR6R
1970 Triumph TR6C
1972 BSA Lightning LSR Bike
1974 Triumph T150V
Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741456
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forgot to mention

we set up on the side, next to the meadows. theyre full of wild strawberries.

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this place is fantastic


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741568
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driver meetings and course tour until noon, then everbody who wanted to ran. the fast guys shut down after a run or two until later because the crosswinds on the course were moving them around. i have no fairing to worry about, and ran six times before i shut down around three.

the bent shift linkage is pretty awkward, but i can figure that out. i keep looking at it and thinking, i could bend that back, but then if the aluminum casting cracks, i'm up [censored] creek. i'm going to ditch these alloy tarozzi rearsets and put on some cheap steel ones that i can actually repair, i think. on the other hand, the tarozzi clip ons are fantastic. i can adjust them to anything i need at a moment's notice with one allen wrench.

the lowered bike is easy to deal with. doesn't bottom if i'm easy on the one bad spot on the return road, and if i lift my toes in the turns i don't grind my boot tips. tracks straight and perfectly. it's a no-hands bike down to 20mph, if i want to sit up and scratch.

there was this elusive rattling noise that i couldn't find. then a stranger came by and pointed out that the nyloc nuts on both my head steady attachments had vibrated off. turned out he was mark, the owner of british cycle supply on the other side of the airport, one of britbike's sponsors. i told him to keep looking for wrong stuff, and pointed out all the stuff on the bike i had bought from him already. tomorrow i'll likely buy bolts to hold the head steadies on, if i don't have UNF 5/16-24s in the bolt box. didn't lose anything but the nuts.

i started with similar settings to last year-- same 135 mains in the FCRs, same 38-inch pipes, but with with the spark at 33 instead of 38 and 20/43 instead of 19/43. got around 105 in the mile, 113 in the mile-plus. the bike wouldn't pull redline in fourth-- would get to 5600-5900 and then stop accellerating as the lights got close. so i pulled the 20-tooth sprocket and put the 19 back in.

i also retarded the spark from 33 to 30-- easy to do with a tap or two from a rubber mallet on the adjustable magneto. the bike hated it. went down four miles per hour right away. that's interesting, because my four-plug morgo runs really well at 30 BTDC, slower elsewhere. but tomorrow the timing goes back to 33, and we'll see what the plugs look like. and maybe look a little at 36. i'm running colder plugs this time-- B9ES rather than B8ES, as the piston-top carbon was pecked at last year at 38 with a single-plug head.

once the timing is optimized, i'll start bolting on the exhaust extensions. two inches were good for 4 mph last year, and the cam timing is different now.

as for the retarded cam timing, i went from 102/104 to 106/109. hard to tell whether it's any better until the gearing and tune settings are optimized for it. the bike has awful reversion from 4000 or so to right at 5000, then pulls hard from just over 5000 to 7000-plus in third, but the final shift drops it to 4900 and it can't get out of the bad part until i'm at the lights. it would be killer at bonneville, where i have three miles to get up to speed, but here i have 5280 feet.

the fast norton is here, but both BSA toms aren't here here yet.

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"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741571
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pit crew

starbuck carries heavy things and puts them down somewhere else

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shawna changes tires. we've done three getting here

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devra hangs out

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the neighbor qualifed at 178 for his license. he's looking for 200mph tomorrow

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"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741572
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stopped at tony's on the way:

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brought an unmbrella for shawna to have shade. didn't test it first.

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safety

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first run

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i know tommy and his buell from wilmington. 146mph

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don't know what anybody is doing yet. too busy tuning.

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"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741608
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Cool stuff there! Hope you get everything dialed in soon.
But..... teenage girls at a race event for 4-5 days without their normal home life? You're a brave man!
Hopefully some boys their age to give them something to do.
Keep us posted

Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741609
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Kevin,

watching the video makes me wish I was able to attend this year, hoping next year will be more viable with my little girls being older.

Anyways, good luck this week!


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1956 BSA A10RR Street and LSR Bike
1961 BSA C15S
1966 BSA spitfire
1969 Triumph T100C
1970 Triumph TR6R
1970 Triumph TR6C
1972 BSA Lightning LSR Bike
1974 Triumph T150V
Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741612
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This is a good example of American grass roots LSR....A Chevy V8 powered old hot rod Ford on a gnarly trailer.. Or a bunch of hillbillies from Ohio packed into a van pulling an old Triumph on a trailer.... grin

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Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: Mike Baker] #741635
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Originally Posted by Mike Baker
Cool stuff there! Hope you get everything dialed in soon.
But..... teenage girls at a race event for 4-5 days without their normal home life? You're a brave man!
Hopefully some boys their age to give them something to do.


Getting them out of range of the "boys their age" for a few days could be part of the benefit of them coming to the races!

Good on everyone for doing this as a family ....!

Lannis


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Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741687
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Hope to see people Fri am. Got in this evening! PRT

Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741811
07/14/18 1:14 am
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what a day. i'm bushed, and i hurt all over from hitting the bumps at a hundred miles per hour sitting on a piece of 1/8-inch aluminum. nine runs, and i could have done twenty if i hadn't been changing things in the pits.

started out in the morning by pulling the camplate plunger and adding a second 10-32 hexnut under the spring as a preload shim. considered another but two seemed stiff enough. then filled the box up with 75W-90 synthetic fluid. all of this solved my dropping out of gear problem. so long as i don't hurry the shifts, and raise the lever with the middle of my foot (so my toes are dragging the ground), and then get my foot out so the return spring can work, it all functions correctly. GP shifting will solve this problem by september, but i can't do it now because parts interfere with the linkage. i did heel-stomp upshifts with a reversed linkage last year to get 128 mph.

i was troubled by the poor performance yesterday, and was considering opening up the timing chest and resetting the cams to last years settings. but then i said, no, give them a chance. play with the shifting until it's right, and then test the exhaust extensions. so i left the 38-inch pipes on from the day before to use as a baseline. then the first run of the day gave me 123 in the 1.5. wait a minute, i said. and the next two were 127 and 125.

no, i thought, not the cam timing. it's just that the power band is 5500 to 7500, and if i delay the shift point until 7000-plus, and then shift slowly and deliberately, it only drops to 5300 and i stay where the torque is. that's critical in this short race, because if i let the rpms drop, i don't gain it back before the lights go by and it's too late. maybe bonneville would be different, where you have time to be gradual. the box won't shift reliably at 7500 rpm, but if i pull in the clutch, let the rpms drop a little, make the shift, and then open the throttle and release the clutch at the same time, it works fine.

so i took the 38s off and ran three runs with the 34-inch bare tubes. the bike loved it. 128.9 in the 1.5. i now had a setting that would work. but was 34 short enough? maybe 32 would be better still. the problem was that i could only get 32 inches with a hacksaw, and because of the pipe mounts, going back to 34 with an extension wouldn't be easy. but maybe 34 was too short, even thjough it was better than 38. so i put the 36-inch pipes on. it turned out they were the magic number:

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^^^that's where the pipes will stay with this cam timing.

so i got this with 36-inch 1-5/8 inch pipes, 34 BTDC, 135 mains in the 35mm FCRs, and a gearbox that worked. tomorrow i'll try advancing the spark to 36, and doing a plug chop or two before i run. last year, 38 BTDC gave me trace detonation (or maybe preignition, as i had somewhat hotter plugs). i'm running NGKB9ES right now, and i may try out some B10ES if i can find any. i have a whole tray of main jets i could mess with, but i don't think the power is there. the plugs look good on leaded fuel, and the relative air density was 103 percent in the morning and 102 in afternoon. i think jet changing will be the last thing i try.

the old magneto works fine up to where the engine starts to break up under load at 7500 or so. not sure what's happening up there, but i'm only there momentarily at the 3-4 shift, so i'll leave that question for the dyno to answer later this year.






"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741827
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Getting close , good luck.


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Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: konon] #741837
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With the expected strong tailwind today...My record is soon to be history....So I pass the sword to Kevin to slay the BSA dragon... grin


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Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: Lannis] #741875
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Getting them out of range of the "boys their age" for a few days could be part of the benefit of them coming to the races!

All part of growing up, Lannis......

Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741913
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record.

130.935 in the mile.

134.287 in the mile and a half.

pipes, timing, cams, jets, and weather all came together today.

i am exhausted and 1100 miles from home.


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: kevin roberts] #741916
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Good on you, Kevin !

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Congratulation !


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Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741936
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That's brilliant Kevin, well done.

The high rpm misfire might go away with smaller S/plug gaps, and its the easiest thing to test.


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Like they said about James Brown 'The hardest working man in land speed'. Congrats!! You got 'er done. You Triumph guys are tough as rawhide. Our best efforts fell short even though we went faster than we ever have. I hope I can stay focused enough to turn the tables. Obviously it won't be easy. Back to the lab. Cheers, PRT

PS At least the turbo worked. It ran flawlessly for three runs. All over 160. Best 166 and change. We smoked the clutch on the first pass. After I cleaned out as much of the charcoal as possible we cranked the screws down and continued. Thank you Mr. Newby!! Mike reports that it ran very smooth and wants to go faster. Off season testing will see if she will take more Juice!
PPS Another shout out to John Hill for his excellent alloy barrel. 5/16 studs at 25 ft/lbs did the trick!

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I have been kicked off the throne .....No one has worked harder than Kevin over the last year or so. The bike hasn't really been on a dyno, all the tuning was done old school on the track ......You are the man!!!!!!!!


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Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: pushrod tom] #741949
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Nice! Your hard work paid off!

Re: Loring is gettin' close [Re: kevin roberts] #741952
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Congrats Kevin! Good job


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Brilliant
Well done Kevin

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thank you, folks

i ended up changing main jets after all, from 135 to 140. because in the cool morning the relative air density was 105. didnt change anything else from the day before. last year i ran only 130 and 135 main jets, but clearly the machine wanted more in the cool air.

ran 9 times before the course was shut down for the day. beat the old mile record three times and the mile and a half record twice.

then quit because i was just worn out.

this day began with me noticing that tbe drive chain was too tight. odd, because i had adjusted it tbe day before. but it was tight in spots. so i took it off, and it was junk.there were three tight links and the side plates were spaced out everywhere. i had turned a brand new, fully lubed chain to trash in about 75 miles. i hadnt brought a spare this time, because british cycle supply was on the property.
but then i realized it was saturday and they were closed.

but abbie and trevor were manning a booth at the track, so i went over and asked. abbie opened up the warehouse for us and i bought tbree chains. headed back to tbe track where the wind was still blowing from the south. put tbe chain on and ran the bike. metvmark, too, the owner. he pointed out that i had lost the nuts from my head steadies.

i had my neighbor's go pro camera on the bike for the record run. if i can get a copy i'll put it up.


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
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