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1968 Norton Atlas time capsule #738622
06/13/18 5:58 pm
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Glenwood, Iowa USA
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I posted this in the Norton section but I suppose this forum is more fitting.

The story is that original owner bought this in 1970, crashed the bike with 455 miles on it, and never rode it again and parked it in the back of the garage.

Headlight lens was broke, tach cracked, right footrest broken off. I have found a replacement headlight bezel and lens, still looking for a footrest and trying to date the Avon Speedmaster tires.

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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #738632
06/13/18 8:18 pm
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What a shame what happens to these bikes. What are your plans for it.

Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #738645
06/13/18 10:19 pm
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In the Norton section, there are pics of it with the gunge cleaned off it.
Really looks quite smart in black&chrome.
And with a full wax and polish even more so ?

We've been encouraging him to gently clean the more rusty bits,
when it would really look the ultimate survivor.
('patina' is good, but actual rust is going too far !?)
Perhaps that polish with aluminium foil .....

Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #738660
06/13/18 11:50 pm
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Thanks Rohan just checked it out, pretty neat. I to would elbow grease it and get it road worthy to just ride!!

Hey TBolt Eastwood company has all kinds of resto/cleaning products

Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #738765
06/15/18 1:43 am
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I tried some Evaporust gel tonight. Extremely hard to work with and comes out of the bottle like half cured rubber cement. It would not seperate! I used an old toothbrush to spread it around as best I could onto the rust. Leaving it on for a couple hours to see what's left. So far it's looking like $10 down the drain.

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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #738782
06/15/18 9:52 am
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Al foil and elbow grease is cheap, better still is electrolysis, if you have a battery / charger,some wires to link up anode and cathode, croc clips, scrap iron for sacrificial anode, bucket , access to water and washing soda( sodium carbonate, not bicarbonate), then its silent and cheap, but not quick, needs a day or so.

Brown electric silent soup recipe.Frizzante con ferro .

Mix soda 1 cup to the gallon, ( you will need about 5 gallons if the bucket is tall), I use a magnet bar tool holder as the cathode, batt neg goes to the top of the bar via croc clip, just stick on whatever small parts are to be cleaned, an old stove bar for the anode. The magnet bar makes it very easy to remove/ inspect / swap parts around. Once its set up its very quick and easy to swap /add new parts, doing a few every day.

Immerse cathode in bucket, ideally hang so it is clear of the bottom, not critical though. dont let it touch the anode , thats important.
Set charger to low , or use a battery with a bulb in series with the cathode, my meter barely lifts off zero, it fizzes away, dont smoke over the escaping hydrogen. Clean parts with a brash brush in water after to lose the black Fe O3, it just falls off. Oil parts after or prep for painting. Paint is not harmed by this process , unless there is rust under it, a pretty benign cleaner..

This is best for discreet items, things like mudguards can be done one end at a time if the bucket is deep / wide enough.One of the time bonus features of electrolysis is that parts do not need cleaning before being put in the dip,sure it helps to get rid of caked grease first but no need for a deep clean , nice thing about washing soda, its a good degreaser, the muck falls off with the rust.

This guy does a good job of explaining it here, check out the result at the end.
https://www.google.com/search?q=diy+electrolysis+rust+removal.#kpvalbx=1

The same principle can be used to clean the tank, this time the tank is the bucket and the cathode, fill tank with electrolyte, make a round insulator plug ( pop bottle, wood, whatever) , hang a bent coat hanger or nails in the mix through the plug centre , make sure its hanging free from the tank metal, clip tank to neg, nail to positive and let it do its thing, the process is line of sight so give it time to get to the far corners of the tank, thats where the coat hanger is handy. Do not fill to the brim leave an inch or so for the brown foam that will develop, mask around the tank mouth in case this stuff spews out, it is messy.
Ten minutes with Al foil on the pipes and they will look like new from 20 feet.Wax after cleaning off rust.
Well, maybe not new, but pretty decent.

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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #738957
06/17/18 2:59 am
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Glenwood, Iowa USA
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She's polishing up nicely.

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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #739032
06/18/18 12:54 am
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Nice!


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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #739068
06/18/18 11:13 am
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Good job! Quite a contrast from the "as found".


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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #739075
06/18/18 12:45 pm
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Smackinthemiddle, NJ
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Tbolt: do you have the right stuff????? Evaporust is a clear liquid, looks like water. Its not a paste or thick goo by any means. I've never heard of such a problem with it. I've used it by the gallon with great results. I can cause black staining, if left to sit for a long period of time in the solution.

Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: rocketscientist] #739079
06/18/18 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by rocketscientist
Tbolt: do you have the right stuff????? Evaporust is a clear liquid, looks like water. Its not a paste or thick goo by any means. I've never heard of such a problem with it. I've used it by the gallon with great results. I can cause black staining, if left to sit for a long period of time in the solution.


Yes, the gel is a new Evaporust product that the auto parts supplier talked me into. I went back and bought the liquid which DOES work much better. Almost every bit of rust came off the rims and primary cover, which was the worst of it.

Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #739239
06/20/18 4:29 am
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One thing about the liquid evaporust is that you can pour the used stuff through a coffee filter and back in to another jug and reuse it several times. I've done several pieces for almost a year with the same bottle.


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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #739465
06/22/18 2:11 pm
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I was able to drill out the broken footrest and tapped it. I'm proud to say even used BSF tap and die!

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I found an old tire iron wrench that was the exact diameter of the existing footrest on the left side and cut it to the same length..

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Footpeg rubber fits nicely. New rubber on the way.


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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #739933
06/26/18 12:40 pm
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Carbs are nearly spotless but the rubber O rings disintegrated. I ordered rebuild kits.
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Petcock was damaged on removal. Ordered a new NOS petcock.

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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #740255
06/29/18 6:44 pm
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Thought I would check the valve adjustment just to make sure they were ok. 3 valve covers are easily removed, although one dome nut was different than the other 3. Moving forward, I could not get a consistent .008 clearance on the left exhaust valve and I kept hearing a metallic snap every time the left exhaust valve closed. I could not see the valve opening by looking through the spark plug hole. Hmmmmm......what's this?

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I extracted the nut, which was resting on the pushrod. Problem is, I still hear the metallic snap every time the valve closes. It doesn't appear the valve is opening into the chamber as far as the right side.

Looks like the head will have to come off. Possibly a bent valve? Could this be the reason it was parked after only 455 miles?

Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #740256
06/29/18 6:48 pm
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I found a new petcock, NOS.

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Original Flamboyant green on the tank?
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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #740267
06/29/18 8:50 pm
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Well I suppose this could be the cause of the erratic exhaust valve rocker adjustment and the metallic tap.


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Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #741166
07/08/18 3:15 pm
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I took the tank to a local guy that was bragging about his skills on facebook. His place looked like a junkyard with many car hulks laying about, nice shop down the hill where he walked out of when I arrived. I showed him the tank and told him my plan on removing the black paint to restore the original paint.

"That's impossible, do you know how long that would take?" "I'll paint it for you, but I would sand blast all the paint off, takes about 15 minutes".

The first words of profession out of someones mouth is generally a good impression of his demeaner and work ethic. To me this said "I'm too lazy to do that and would rather finish the job as quick as possible, so I can go back to watching tv".


Needless to say, I took the tank back home. He told me to log my time and then let him know how it works out and send pictures when I'm done. Ok, maybe its going to be difficult, but not impossible, challenge accepted. Worst case scenario, I will have it repainted with paint matched to the bottom of the tank. It wont be him doing the painting.

Re: 1968 Norton Atlas time capsule [Re: TBolt72] #745396
08/13/18 6:49 pm
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I got a chance to get back into the shop last week and decided that I just couldn't put this filthy head back on the way it is. A friend of mine offered to vapor blast it for me, here is the result.

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