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1972 commando project #694578
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well...here ere the tale of my 1972 Commando project ....got frame for $250....serial number 200845, August 1972....i think a fair price from flying squirrel..frame came to the house on Monday afternoon...today I took swing arm off..it had plenty of grease in pivot pin and bushings and I can't feel any slop...engine cradle isolastic has 3/8" deflection on plates...how much is 'too much?" I called a guy about sandblasting the frame..he said 3 hours at $75 an hour! I ran to Lowes and got a sanding disc for drill and some heavy duty metal sanding strips for vibrating sander...disc is a little harsh but strips are just right and take old paint/surface rust off nicely but slowly..frame is very solid just dirty and surface rust....this is going to be a long term project...18 months at least i will buy stuff as I have spare cash...commando is my dream bike and I can do this and build one just the way I want to......wish me luck..
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1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
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Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #694655
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Congrats with your project, I am looking forward to follow your progress.
At the risk of telling you something you are already aware of, GREASE in the swingarm spindle of a Commando is a no-no.
You may also consider welding some brackets at the top of the rear spring mounts and the rear frame loop, as the rear frame loop has a tendency to bent when riding two up, not very clear to see from your pics, but your frame may be bent somewhat already, so check carefully.
Concerning the 3/8" play between engine cradle and frame, check again with all iso mounting hardware in place, and correctly torqued, it may not be too bad.
Good luck bigt


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1972 Trident T150T
1961 Goldie DBD34
1969 Benelli 250 sport special
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: Peter R] #694669
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peter..thanks for your remarks...if no grease in swingarm then why grease fitting on end of swing arm spindle plug? also...it came to my mind that without engine/gearbox bolted into frame that cradle has nothing to keep it moving side to side except stiffness of rubber bushings inside iso tube..correct?
alan


1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #694679
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The curious fittings on the swingarm spindle end caps are NOT for grease, they are for heavy (140) oil, according to the manual (who reads the manuals, anyway?)

The isolastic setup has to be properly nipped up to do it's job effectively; again, by the book. Modern vernier adjustable isolastics are much easier to work with.

You need to test-setup the isolastic with KNOWN GOOD rubber internals and adjuster caps, THEN carefully determine where your deflection is coming from. Look at the swingarm spindle mount tube and check for perceptible play there as well.


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Re: 1972 commando project [Re: GrandPaul] #694729
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grandpail thanks for the info..today I removed all grease from swingarm pin and bushes and took 3 types of rust/dirt/old paint removal tools to the swingarm and cleaned it up..there were still a few rusty spots so I took a paintbrush and applied some naval jelly to them and they are soaking now next step is to sand and prime with rustoleum high build primer and see how many little pits need attention....


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1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #695081
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been working on project....got iso stuff and cradle out of frame but had to resort to hacksaw to do it..iso was toast as you can see...got swingarm off and spent several hours sanding and painting with nice coat of rustoleum engine enamel primer and gloss black...next step is to do the same with cradle then tackle main frame...I am learning a lot about that iso system ..I guess I will be buying a whole new venier-type set up for cradle
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1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #695109
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Vernier type adjusters are always a good idea. It is also worth considering to fit a pair of swingarm camps like these : http://nycnorton.com/nyc_products/commando-swingarm-spindle-clamps/


Peter.
1974 Commando 850
1972 Trident T150T
1961 Goldie DBD34
1969 Benelli 250 sport special
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: Peter R] #695195
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well I painted the engine/trans cradle today it was a hot sunny day...I put several coats of gloss black auto enamel on it but got a run or two..it seems I read/saw somewhere that black bits and even frames on certain brands of britbikes were painted by dunking in a large tank of paint...is that so?


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1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #695272
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Yes, there was a large vat of black enamel and the parts were dipped before then being put in an oven, your paint runs could be accurate wink

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this is where I am now new steering head bearings new venier isolastics new fork tubes bushes seals new side panels, frame and battery box sandblasted and painted got a nice oil tank...rebuilt gearbox new kicker and shift levers , new fork top nuts got instrument cups and shock and seat knobs and drilled brake disc from Grand paul ..polished z plates all new nuts and bolts with aircraft nuts throughout fenders to come next hope to have rolling chassis by xmus then start looking for a motor


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1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #707437
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thanks TR6Ray for the photo posting help!


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1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #712815
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here's where I am at now as of october 26 2017..got seat and mufflers and muffler mounts and passenger rail and pegs and tach from my pal calvin after he took them off his 74 Commando and 'upgraded' got new steel tank from commando specialities...am going to see if sanny clause will bring me new stainless fenders...saw a couple of engines on eBay but steered clear for now ...slowly slowly catch a monkey


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1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #713036
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Front mount is upside-down, but it'll have to come off anyway. Remember the left-right orientation of front & rear isolastics are opposite each other, and must be observed per the book (use the '75 book if adjustables); I forget which goes where...

Also, the rear breather is going to give you fits, even if you push the tranny ALL the way back!

Man, that thing is squeaky clean.

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Re: 1972 commando project [Re: GrandPaul] #713502
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thanks GP...got new chain guard and headlight ears and tank mounting rubbers/hardware today..spoke with sanny clause about stainless fenders for xmus as I have been so good this year it is regusting.....the engine part is on my mind a lot...suggestions?
alan


1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
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here's where I am as of January 18 2018 looking for rear wheel
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sany clause brought me avon roadrider tire for front but too cold to put it on got 13mm magura master cylinder and stainless rebuild kit for caliper coming
slowly slowly catch a monkey


1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
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here's where I am as of Feb.8 2018 got a 1973 850cc engine coming from springfield Ill. in a few weeks.....hope to have bike up and running 6 months
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1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #726096
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Wow, looking good ! Hopefully, it's not even 6 months !


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1968 T100R Daytona 500
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1970 BSA A65F 650
1955 Tiger 100 - Project

Re: 1972 commando project [Re: Jon W. Whitley] #726110
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thanks jon...everything i am putting on this project is new, or plated, polished, painted to look like new...parts for commando are expensive! I figure to have about $6k in parts in it when done but it will look and run like new bike...that's the goal anyway..this the LAST motorsickel I am going to build,,ever,,,,!

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1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
Re: 1972 commando project [Re: raf940] #726126
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Real nice, good job man, can hardly wait to see the finish...

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Looks fabulous, but never say never!


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here it is march 11 2018

installed centerstand and rear wheel this morning what fun!!! ...paint is a $20 experiment til I figure out what color I want for real...is duplicolor hotrod black primer.......still waiting on engine bad weather has held it up...
slowly slowly catchee monkey
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1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
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installed engine in frame yesterday took pal Calvin and I a bit of wiggling and a bit of prying with special Norton hick'ry handle tool (pictured with tool # on it) to get bottom bolt in...next is to do carb, wiring, and stuff on primary side..so far I have spent 10 months starting with rusted frame and prolly need a few more to finish up
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1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando
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Just 10 months from a rusty frame to this -- impressive!

Yellow. I vote for yellow.


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purple!

fireflake purple!

then i won't be so embarrassed about mine being the only one.

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Not a bad result in just ten months time, however I found out that the last 10 percent of work on a project can sometimes take up to 80 percent of the time.
Your bike looks fine btw. bigt


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1972 Trident T150T
1961 Goldie DBD34
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