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Here we go again.... #726022
02/18/18 3:38 pm
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Tiger Dale Offline OP
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First BSA!!!

1967 Lightning with 3,558 original miles!! Bought from the original owners estate. All complete and no rust in the gas tank!!!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3330WWAgwVTKBfEg1

I may start a restro/start up thread!!

Oh I'm sure I'll have questions.....

TD

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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #726040
02/18/18 5:36 pm
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Wow, that is quite a find. My favorite one year only! Good for you!


Down to 1 BSA, 2 Triumphs, 1 '56 Chevy
Oops,.. add 1 '65 XLCH
Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #726041
02/18/18 5:40 pm
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Nice. Looks great as it is! The kind of bike I would clean up and fix up a bit ... and ride.

PS -- I used to race 'way back in the '60s at Marlboro Motor Raceway, near you in Upper Marlboro MD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlboro_Motor_Raceway


Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
1980 Suzuki GS1000G - 2005 Ducati Multistrada 1000S - 2012 Ducati Hypermotard 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Here we go again.... [Re: KC in S.B.] #726048
02/18/18 6:46 pm
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Originally Posted by kurt fischer
Nice. Looks great as it is! The kind of bike I would clean up and fix up a bit ... and ride.

PS -- I used to race 'way back in the '60s at Marlboro Motor Raceway, near you in Upper Marlboro MD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlboro_Motor_Raceway


Originally Posted by KC in S.B.
Wow, that is quite a find. My favorite one year only! Good for you!


Thanks Gents yes it will clean up nicely and be ridden!! Kurt I'm familiar with that track I grew up about 10 miles away. Did you know Greg Edmonds, Don Smolinski or Tom Lambert? They all ran that circuit I believe.

Dale

Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #726099
02/19/18 12:00 am
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Beautiful bike, congratulations !!


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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #726101
02/19/18 12:06 am
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One of my top five favorite bikes of all time, and the first BSA I ever owned (in 1974) was that same bike but in blue ....

Anything you want to write about your riding, fettling, or restoration experiences with it will be eagerly read ....

Lannis


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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #726102
02/19/18 12:22 am
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Lannis, thats creepy , my first big bike too also in blue, but Tbolt single carb, wrote it off on October the 29th 1979. Not my first BSA though ,passed my test on a c15.
kept the motor and the back light , the rest was wrecked. The bike that converted me to electronic ignition. two weeks wages for a Boyer back then!


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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #726115
02/19/18 3:19 am
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TD, for your first Britbike, you lucked out big time! It's very rare to find a bike of that vintage in that kind of original condition. And a '67 Lightning! I'm with KC on that being the prettiest year for the A65.

My first bike was a '67 Lightning, bought in 1972. I rode, maintained, rebuilt, rode, restored, rode, rebuilt, rode (and so on) that bike until 2001. Retired until 2016, it is now being rebuilt and restored by my son. I'm now riding the A65 bitsa pictured in my avatar. I was fortunate also in finding that '67 fuel tank at a swap meet, with no rust it in.

That bike is so close to original that there are one or two things you may want to correct. For one, the coils are supposed to be mounted behind the carburetors. Also, the routing of the throttle cables is bizarre. They must have been borrowed off a bike with ape-hanger handlebars. The piece in the back mounted in place of the grab rail is not stock, but it looks damn handy for mounting saddlebag brackets - in fact that may be why it's there.

Good luck with it, I hope it runs as good as it looks! Oh, one more thing... If those Monobloc carburetors perform satisfactorily (don't stick or leak, idle consistently), don't mess with them until or unless there's a problem. Fettling with them tends to cause more problems than it cures.





Mark Z

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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Mark Z] #726144
02/19/18 1:55 pm
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Waldorf, Maryland
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Originally Posted by Mark Z
TD, for your first Britbike, you lucked out big time! It's very rare to find a bike of that vintage in that kind of original condition. And a '67 Lightning! I'm with KC on that being the prettiest year for the A65.

My first bike was a '67 Lightning, bought in 1972. I rode, maintained, rebuilt, rode, restored, rode, rebuilt, rode (and so on) that bike until 2001. Retired until 2016, it is now being rebuilt and restored by my son. I'm now riding the A65 bitsa pictured in my avatar. I was fortunate also in finding that '67 fuel tank at a swap meet, with no rust it in.

That bike is so close to original that there are one or two things you may want to correct. For one, the coils are supposed to be mounted behind the carburetors. Also, the routing of the throttle cables is bizarre. They must have been borrowed off a bike with ape-hanger handlebars. The piece in the back mounted in place of the grab rail is not stock, but it looks damn handy for mounting saddlebag brackets - in fact that may be why it's there.

Good luck with it, I hope it runs as good as it looks! Oh, one more thing... If those Monobloc carburetors perform satisfactorily (don't stick or leak, idle consistently), don't mess with them until or unless there's a problem. Fettling with them tends to cause more problems than it cures.




Thanks Mark. I,m sorry for the confusion, I have owned BritBikes in the past and for the past 10 years my everyday rider is a '72 TR-6R. I have fettled with many BritBikes but this is the 1st BSA. Will keep you all informed.

Any idea of value for this bike?

TIA,

TD

Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #726148
02/19/18 2:13 pm
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"with 3,558 original miles!" , big pinch of salt needed, and quite a few other non original miles as well, enough time/miles to wear out the OEM front tyre, remount the coils , get the headers loose in the heads and add touring accessories.


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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #726161
02/19/18 5:40 pm
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Real nice find, I would do the least amount of changes, just clean it up and ride it, I'm doing that to a 1971 Daytona T100R, 5,500 orig miles, and paint, it's really unmolested

Re: Here we go again.... [Re: gavin eisler] #726171
02/19/18 7:16 pm
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My first bike was a 1967 Lightning in...blue, that I bought in 1972!

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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: gavin eisler] #726208
02/20/18 2:37 am
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Originally Posted by Tiger Dale
Thanks Mark. I,m sorry for the confusion, I have owned BritBikes in the past and for the past 10 years my everyday rider is a '72 TR-6R. I have fettled with many BritBikes but this is the 1st BSA. Will keep you all informed.

Any idea of value for this bike?

TIA,

TD


Oh... yes, you did say "First BSA". Ok then, you know about AMAL carbs (but maybe not Monoblocs) and Lucas electrics. Can't answer your question about value because I'm neither a buyer, a seller, nor a collector. (Dollar value is only relevant if you plan on selling it.) If you do plan on selling it, you'll profit most by selling it as is. That is, if you rebuild and/or restore it, you'll never recoup what you've put into it.


Originally Posted by gavin eisler
"with 3,558 original miles!" , big pinch of salt needed, and quite a few other non original miles as well, enough time/miles to wear out the OEM front tyre, remount the coils , get the headers loose in the heads and add touring accessories.


Good point, especially regarding the front tire - looks like there's some wear on that one too. Coils moved, throttle cables replaced, etc. But Gavin, how can you tell the header pipes are loose in the head? ;-)



Mark Z

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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #726241
02/20/18 11:00 am
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Look at the soot around the exhaust ports.


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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #770119
04/04/19 12:35 pm
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Well yes real close to the end. Being held up by a minor welding job. The bike is all original as stated before and I have been spending time correcting incorrect items (minor) and cleaning everything really well. Yes I can hear some of you "You cleaned up all the original patina" but no way am I going to let the 52 year old chrome go to hell. Still plenty of patina. Nothing has been re-painted as the bike only had 3,500 original miles and is in really great shape. Very few ham fisted fasteners. All lights and horn work!! Original 35 amp Lucas fuse in the fuse holder. The bike wet-sumped at some time and the mains, etc, bathed in oil for the past 30+/- years. Going to drain the oil and re use it for the initial start up. Had to pull the top end due to moisture infiltration as can be seen in some of the pix. Piston/cylinder clearance miked at .0035"!!! Installed new rings had my tech do a light hone, blast the piston tops and install new valve guides. Cleaned up the valve pockets and re-cut the original valves. Had to rebuild one of the baffles (baffle material from LA Choppers) that had broken and was just flopping around in the muffler. I added some more pix to the album

https://photos.app.goo.gl/7KXugxnYr7Jpnuf6A

Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #770127
04/04/19 3:17 pm
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Great pics, back brake shoes worn down to the rivets, cracks in the mudguard, In 3.500 miles. hmmm.
That chrome came up well.


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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: gavin eisler] #770151
04/04/19 9:29 pm
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Originally Posted by gavin eisler
Great pics, back brake shoes worn down to the rivets, cracks in the mudguard, In 3.500 miles. hmmm.
That chrome came up well.

Gavin,

I was only going by the clock reading, then I discovered the speedo cable is broken.........no clue of the actual mileage but it's not alot. The tyres appear to be original as evidenced by the Dealers signature on the rear tyre in red grease pencil.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/78egYsvvNqRvjvCW8

I really don't know. I do know that it is in very good original condition.

TD

Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #770184
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Tiger Dale, you did really well on this deal.

Original paint is not faded (rare for this color red) and although the bars appear high, they are ORIGINAL for this year and model.

Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #770187
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Dale,

nice bike indeed. I am with the others questioning the 3,500 mls theory in my case when looking at the state of wear/elongation of the primary chain.

After all it is a beautiful original bike with seems to have little mileage.

Have fun and use it as the makers intended.

Cheers!

Ph.


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Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Irish Swede] #770269
04/06/19 1:40 am
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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
Tiger Dale, you did really well on this deal.

Original paint is not faded (rare for this color red) and although the bars appear high, they are ORIGINAL for this year and model.


Yes Swede I'm really chuffed the way the tank cleaned up. Definitely original and getting a little thin I'd estimate around 85%

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jq5NKy6Q5aagm22NA

td

Re: Here we go again.... [Re: Tiger Dale] #770270
04/06/19 1:47 am
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Drained 1-1/2 quarts out of the sump where it had been keeping the mains, etc., nice and warm for the past 30+/- years

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wTHTzdzmUkrT39Ds8

This will be added to what I drained from the oil bottle and goes back into it for the initial start up and heat cycle then out it goes. Deciding on what oil filter I will install. I'm familiar with the Norton spin off as that is what I have on the '72 Tiger. Any other/better suggestions or examples of the bracket set up for the Norton will be appreciated.

TIA

td


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