I realise that I'm probably on the wrong forums with this one. Nevertheless the bike is a unit Triumph twin and is therefore worthy I think.
I have a mid sixties manufactured 650 unit twin. The frame has been raked at the headstock for longer forks. At the rear, a bolt on hard tail assembly replaces the original rear section. The lugs which originally located the swinging arm have been ground off.
So can this bike still be registered on an age related plate as would be possible with an unmodified bike ?
I'm not sure about the rules on chassis modification for motorcycles.
I suspect the people who can say for sure are whomever of either the TOMCC Machine Registrar or the guy in the VMCC Library who does Triumph dating requests, reason being it'll be one of them you'll approach for the "extract of the manufacturer's record" now required with the V55 by the DVLA?
I would say not, it’s one of the reasons my racer isn’t making any progress at the moment, need a frame with a v5c before I make adjustments to it. So either find another frame with v5c (preferred) or make this into a complete stock spitfire and take it apart again .... nahh
Re: UK registration of a classic with a modified frame
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The dating guys are interested in the original numbers. Normally you would take a photo of the number and also a rubbing
They will work from photos, so (just saying...) a picture of a swing arm bike of the correct vintage (less reg plate) and a close up of the frame/engine number might get you the letter that you need.
Technically because the frame is raked, and the swing arm mount is missing, the frame is modified.
Thanks for the input. I've no doubt that the above trick wouldt procure the required dating letter, but it is AFAIK, actually fraudulent.
Let us just consider the scenario if I were to buy a classic 1960's Bonneville, complete with V5 etc, and then turn it into a chopper. Headstock raked, bolt on hard tail, swinging arm lugs cut off. This action probably wouldn't exactly make me flavour of the month with the TOMCC, but please realise that I'm only theoretically pondering here. Now would I still be entited to the registration number and the Historic Vehicle tax status ?
I'm probably asking in the wrong place TBH. Like I said, I don't know the rules for motorcycles. I know the rules for 4x4s Major changes like new wheelbase length or from leaf springs to coils mean a new registration and usually a Q plate.
Thanks for that. I've only been looking at that for about 20 minutes and my head is starting spin already. I do appreciate that there are people running around with registrations they are not entitled to on modified bikes. All well and good until you have a serious accident and find out your insurance policy is void.
I don't see the connection between the insurance aspect and getting an age related plate. Try ringing DVLA with the frame number ? you never know it might be on the database. Insurance companies always ask about modifications so to ride a chop or a bobber or whatever you still need spill the beans to be above board. In fact if any UK members can recommend an insurance co that will insure "customs" or Q plates i'd be grateful for their experience. Regards Pete
I've certainly come across bikes I would describe as modified (70's yam 4 in 50's BSA frame territory etc) with "classic" registrations. I can only think they bought an already classic reg frame / chassis then modified & maybe (or not) told the insurance co about the mods to fit a non-standard motor in it. These would be bikes modified over 20-25 years ago so maybe there was less interest re. mods from ins. co's in olden times - once you got some insurance & renewed it every year then no-one asked any questions as long as they got your money. Also helps not to draw attention to yourself by crashing the thing. It's a pity we have such a down on Q plates compared to original ones, in the end they're just a number. I'm always more interested in a bike than it's reg. Bikers in in Germany don't care - AFAIK there's no such thing as a classic plate over there. If I wanted to put my race bike on the road it'd have to have a Q plate as the frame is a modern rep. despite everything else on the thing being '50's.
Well I've got the information that I wanted from the OP Yes there are ways that I could fiddle my way to an age related plate and no doubt VHI status too. Fraudulent though. I simply wouldn't consider doing it, not because I'm the most scrupulously honest person, but because I've actually managed to scrape together a small amount of wealth and property during my life. Therefore it's not a clever idea to be charging about on a motorcycle of questionable legality and insurance. Remember that nothing ever matters until you have an accident.