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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721613 01/10/18 8:30 am
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Here is the picture of the engine number.

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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721614 01/10/18 9:18 am
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And I received this advice from the well known Robert Stockdale :

"OK that is making more sense ! You have a 1939 Tiger 100, very nice ! Engine number 9-T100 20779 matches frame TF 1196.
Would have been first registered/exported March 1939."

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721615 01/10/18 9:30 am
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So it should be silver not red.

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721704 01/11/18 5:50 am
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Hi,
You are right, I received this last information / confirmation :

"The numbers identify it as a 1939 Tiger 100. A Speed Twin from the same date (March 1939) would have had a different (TH) frame. TF frames were only used on Tiger 100 so it is, as you say, a Tiger 100 painted in Speed Twin colours."

I'm disappointed...

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721705 01/11/18 7:06 am
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Why on earth would you be disappointed? You started of by looking at a very rare and desirable motorcycle and it's turned into an even more rare and desirable motorcycle that looks just like the one you wanted. Buy it, ride the wheels off it and should you decide you no longer want it, re paint in the correct colours and sell it on for a decent chunk of beer vouchers.

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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721706 01/11/18 7:26 am
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Use the wrong colour to knock the price down, along with the grey old looking tyres.

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721764 01/11/18 7:33 pm
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A few other discrepancies although I'm far from an expert:

* frame should be black;
* Tiger 100s had distinctive mufflers with removable rear portions;
* saddle appears to sit too high;
* the front brake backing plate probably shouldn't be chromed;
* fuel petcock is not correct.

Altogether though the bike seems mostly correct. Unlike my Ariel it isn't all that easy to source pre-war Triumph parts.

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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721787 01/11/18 11:19 pm
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Interesting number stamping


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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Tiger100 #721802 01/12/18 6:43 am
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Originally Posted by Tiger100
Interesting number stamping


Hmm. Are we looking at the original surface?


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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721804 01/12/18 8:05 am
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Hi,
What do you mean, what do you think ?

A friend said to me:

"At first glance, a T100 and Speed ​​Twin as my colleagues say, amaranth color for the 5 T and chrome gray for the T 100, then exhaust, removable on the T 100 silent level and "sausage" for the 5 T.
Attention, because we are in sensitive area, it is quite possible that T 100 engines are mounted in Speed ​​Twin cycle parts, the Triumph factory if they had a stock engine T 100 and machines ready in speed twin did not have genes to do the editing, we find this on A7 branded frames with A10 engines, many things in the genre. We need an expert of the English motorcycle.
Anyway it's a rare machine, a pre-war two-cylinder is not something anyone can have."

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721859 01/12/18 8:38 pm
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I'd ride it until it needed to be re-restored. cool
Then maybe paint it silver.

No worries anyway. Super cool bike no matter what color it is.

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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721885 01/13/18 1:14 am
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Maybe not strictly correct --this could give you some negotiating power as you go into the buying process.
However--a fine looking bike that any of us would be proud to own.
Ref the engine number---looks a bit suspicious to me because the crankcases are sand cast and the surface behind the numbers looks too smooth to me.
However if there is a magdyno mounted on a flat platform behind the cylinders then it is certainly pre war.
Go for it, Michel!

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721889 01/13/18 1:36 am
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A check of my photos of two engine numbers, 9-T100-20989, and 40-T100-24973,
show the same method of stamping, and the same numeral stamps, as in the photo above.

I believe that serial number 9-T100-20779 is a legitimate, factory-stamped number.

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721903 01/13/18 11:06 am
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Despite your advice to purchase, I gave up buying this 5T from 1939 because I do not want a disguised T100 and because it's not carnival yet.
Especially I already have in my garage post-war Speed ​​Twin 5T serial number 87501 from 1947. Frame n°TF14141, engine n°47-5T-87501 and gearbox n°87169.
I know that all the n° are correct and that the motorcycle is matching numbers. And above all it's a real 5T !
I'll start the restoration of this bike and I'll be back soon for advices.
I thank everybody for the good collaboration and the advices, and I wish you a great weekend and an happy new year 2018.
Michel.

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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721904 01/13/18 11:10 am
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Current condition of my Speed Twin.

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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #721919 01/13/18 2:25 pm
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Nice bike.


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Re: Speed Twin 1939
triton thrasher #722710 01/20/18 3:10 pm
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Gone to the restoration workshop.

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #722753 01/20/18 8:45 pm
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A very respectable bike to start with.

Take photos of EVERYTHING before pulling it apart, measurements where necessary.

You may (WILL) need them for re-assembly.

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #722757 01/20/18 9:34 pm
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Hi, I have only just seen this thread. I have a 39 5T that I built from an incomplete basket case so I have been through the steep learning curve.

Rob Stockdale (who you seem to have found already) is The Man for these bikes. His site is here: https://sites.google.com/site/rigidframetriumph/features/home

Next you need Harry Woolridges book and Roy Bacons book, If I were to get just one it would be Harry's.

That bike, apart from the colour, looks good. It seems to have most of the difficult to find parts. You say that you gave up on it, may I be so rude as to ask how much was being asked for it? If the price is not so bad then I would say it would be a good buy but not for top money as a paint job would be needed as a minimum.

John

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #722761 01/20/18 9:56 pm
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I second what Mr Kaplan says. Just about everything seems to be there on that bike with just a few Tiger 100 specific parts missing. Regardless of model these pre-war Triumphs are not easy to find. In my humble opinion bikes built before the war had the best style and were just as reliable as anything built after the war plus you have the bonus of uniqueness.

It is easy to get discouraged if you pay too much attention to comments on a forum. It seems that a fair number of people post without really knowing much about the subject being discussed.

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Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #722797 01/21/18 7:14 am
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The asking price is € 25.000,00 which is too high.
Especially when we already have one in his garage of 1947 but 100% genuine and matching numbers.
It was Bob Stockdale who gave me all the informations about the numbers of the pre-war 5T - T100. Very nice guy.
Thank you for advice and I already have all the necessary documentation with also the manuals of time.
Good Sunday

Re: Speed Twin 1939
Michel H #722798 01/21/18 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by Michel H
The asking price is € 25.000,00 which is too high.


You are not kidding. That is much higher than these bikes are fetching in perfect condition at auction. You were right to walk away at that price. Have a look at the major auction results over the past 2 or 3 years and I am sure there will be a few 39 T100's sold and that will give you an idea of the market value.

John

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