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Royal Enfield Motor Carrier #721661
01/10/18 9:51 pm
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Hi all. I am new to this forum and hope you can help.
I am the proud? owner of the remains of a 1935 Motor Carrier and wondered if anyone had any information about these machines. Does anyone own or has owned one in the past. I have contacted two owners so far.
Any photos, literature or parts would be welcome as would any history of dealers or owners.
I am a member of the REOC and would like to compile a history of these unusual machines.

Many thanks, Colin.

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Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #721675
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I'm sure you have seen the youtube entries for these.
Jorge notes that Hitchcocks have a video demonstrating an example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWbuynlKdd0&feature=youtu.be

Bonhams show a brochure
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16230/lot/141/
Be interesting to know what was under the bonnet, as it were....

Many makers had such examples.
Diversifying to spread the costs over as many sales as possible.
We wonder if sales justified the development costs though ?
Have Fun !

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #721738
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Thanks Rohan. One of the main things I have been looking for is a Spare parts list. One was sold recently on e-bay and unfortunately I was outbid. I wondered if the winning bidder owned one of these machines as I only know of two in the UK.

I will try to put up some photos and information.
Regards, Colin

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You possibly could have emailed the seller and asked for a copy, or to put you in touch with the buyer. ?
This has worked for me, on several occasions, and you meet some interested folks.

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #721946
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Colin,
As a fellow REOC member, you are probably well connected already. The Gun might be your best means of connecting with people, information and parts, but good on you for finding us here. With a rare machine, networking is everything. Is Hitchcock's running example one of the two others you have found in the UK? It is shown in the video Rohan linked.

I endorse Rohan's strategy of getting copies of old material; it has worked for me, and netted photocopies and original material. I make a distinction between old paper and the information on it. Some collectors value the paper because of its age and rarity. The information on the paper has another value that should be saved by making multiple copies and scattering them - to save the data from fire, flood, theft....

You should contact Mark Mumford, one of the organizers of the Home Counties Rally. His contact info will be in the rally info in The Gun. (Incidentally, everyone, the 2018 Interceptor Rally will be held in conjunction with the Home Counties Rally, 15 - 17 June.)

Chris Overton
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Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: Chris Overton] #722028
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Rohan. Many thanks for the reply. I was a bit slow not contacting the seller or buyer.
I have been having lots of crashes on a MacBook Pro that my son bought me. At the ripe age of 70 I don't have the patience or concentration needed.
I will have to see what I can retrieve when I get it repaired.

Regards, Colin.

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: Chris Overton] #722038
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Chris. Thanks for post. The two machines I know of are the Hitchcock's one and mine.
Some time ago I was searching on this forum for information regarding the Lucas Dynamo with points. Somewere while looking at the Enfield model A two stroke on the forum a contributer mention something about a Motor Carrier but I cannot find the post again.

Regards Colin

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #722047
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Colin, what do you want to know about said dynamo? I have overhauled a few of them.

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #722048
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Have you considered that it might be Hitchcocks buying the parts list ?
Possibly in a private capacity.
Be worth checking with them, if you haven't already done so.
They really are on their game with respect to old parts lists, and getting them online.

Don't talk to me about dead computers, in a past life I was on the service side of a large supplier.
Knee deep in dead bits some days ! (well almost). Makes you appreciate how reliable old motorcycles are, really.
(touch wood ).

There was quite a bit of chat about those engine speed points, can't readily spot any motor carrier chat though.
What engine does the motor carrier have in it ?

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #722110
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Thanks Trev.
As far as I can tell the motor carrier had a 225cc two stroke engine similar to the model A motorcycle.
My machine was incomplete and had no electrics. I trawled the net and looked at Hitchcock's machine, also speaking to Wayne? who works there. Most of the best information came from this forum.
I have acquired two red dot ammeters and two similar but different dynamos, one with an advance and retard fitting. I will find them out and send you the part numbers if that's ok. Also I cannot work out how the Dynamo is connected to the engine plates. The plates have a semicircle out at the top of the plates but cannot work out how it would be secured.

The problem with these machines is knowing what is the original parts and what have just be used to keep them going.
For example every picture I have seen have different exhaust systems and some have different size wheels.

For my sins I am trying collate as much information as poss to help me and others who may be interested. It may if possible be sent to the REOC as an article. I have contacted Graham Scarth and am waiting for a reply.

Many thanks, Colin.

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: Rohan] #722112
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Thanks Rohan. I will contact Hitchcock's.
The machine has a 225cc two stroke engine similar to the Later model A motorcycle. It has a flywheel with vanes to keep it cool, a bit like a lawnmower. It has an unknown gearbox with what I believe has the KX ? vee twin clutch. It has a foot operated rear brake as per normal m/c and a hand brake operating the two front brakes.

Colin.

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #722117
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Originally Posted by colin d charles
<SNIP>... Also I cannot work out how the Dynamo is connected to the engine plates. The plates have a semicircle out at the top of the plates but cannot work out how it would be secured....<SNIP>

Most of these points-on-a-dynamo systems utilize an alloy "shoe" which is pinned to the crankcases the way a MagDyno would. This shoe has a cylindrical recess as its upper surface to accept the dynamo body.

A metal strap holds the assembly down on the engine, again much like a typical MagDyno installation. One rotates the dynamo body on the shoe to adjust drive clearance.

.. gREgg


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Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #722132
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Correct Gregg except for Model A which had the dynamo mounted in a cutout on top of rear engine plates and secured with a strap that was adjustable under rear engine plates. Tom

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #722254
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Mine has the cutout at the top of the rear engine plates, but can't tell where the mounting strap would connect.

Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #722258
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Originally Posted by colin d charles
Mine has the cutout at the top of the rear engine plates, but can't tell where the mounting strap would connect.


At least on the 4-stroke singles, the mounting strap is a continuous strap of metal that hooks under two of the crankcase studs under the mounting area.

.. gREgg

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Re: Royal Enfield Motor Carrier [Re: colin d charles] #724287
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Hi, I came across a file with some original photos of these carriers in somewhere.
Don't know if they are widely known, I'll see if I can find it again.

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Many Thanks Keith that would be great if you find them.
Colin



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