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Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: BrizzoBrit] #720729
01/01/18 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by BrizzoBrit
You know what they say. They are only original once. smile This is definitely 'original'. There is value in preserving stuff like this.

This is a great time capsule. I'm not a chopper fan and wouldn't make one. You could convert this to a beautiful pristine standard condition bike, but It'd be just like all the others out there. Preserve it!

Ray


I have to agree with that Ray, as each year passes I start to think more and more like this. I think if you buy a particular bike which is rare then it is nice to restore it to factory catalogue original. Buy something which has real age and patina then keep it as that too (like all original but aged), buy something which (like I did) rolling chassis and bits of an engine and build how you feel. I’d have put mine as it rolled out of Small Heath had I even had a photo of how it looked but I have little or no providence so I made my own.

There are a lot of standard common models out there and something like this (despite it not being something I would own) has patina to it and is unique.


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Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Allan Gill] #721160
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I have more pictures of the ignition, we found a condenser which was on a Mallory ignition from a Model A Ford! It was in the basement of a good friends shop. Also, some pics of the wiring and coils.
There is no inspection cover on the alternator side, but there are two plugs side by side. I will post the link to my Flickr page.

[img]https://www.flickr.com/cameraroll[/img]

[img]https://www.flickr.com/photos/154585911@N04/[/img]

Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721161
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I also included a pic of the serial number on the side of the case!

Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721167
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As an aside, the serial number on the engine is:
A65 E C 742 - What year and model would this designate?
Charlie

Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721222
01/05/18 11:27 pm
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As an uneducated guess I’d say a 65 hornet with close ratio box, unless there are any other letters to add. I’m guessing the numbers are not on a raised pad?


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Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721227
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my Hornet is A65E-568 =1964 65 SH starts @ 701

Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721231
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Had a look at yer pics Charlie. Your bike has later 6CA ignition points plate ( a good thing), looks like ET coils ( Energy transfer), correct for a Hornet. I strongly recommend this link for ET info
http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=633297#Post633297

The ET needs a specific alternator / rotor set up MM explains all. The later points should play OK with this, but the advance and retard mech for the points cam would need to be the earlier type, the ET only works over a smaller angle of advance.


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Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: gavin eisler] #721233
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Originally Posted by Allan Gill
As an uneducated guess I’d say a 65 hornet with close ratio box, unless there are any other letters to add. I’m guessing the numbers are not on a raised pad?

Thanks Allan!
The pictures do not show a raised pad, on the side of the engine case. Does this mean that they are replacement cases that have been re-stamped? Also, no other letters that I can see.


Originally Posted by bodine031
my Hornet is A65E-568 =1964 65 SH starts @ 701


So... the bike started as a 1965 A65 Hornet! That explains the ignition and large condensers. Appreciate the info bodine!

Originally Posted by gavin eisler
Had a look at yer pics Charlie. Your bike has later 6CA ignition points plate ( a good thing), looks like ET coils ( Energy transfer), correct for a Hornet. I strongly recommend this link for ET info
http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=633297#Post633297

The ET needs a specific alternator / rotor set up MM explains all. The later points should play OK with this, but the advance and retard mech for the points cam would need to be the earlier type, the ET only works over a smaller angle of advance.


I will look at the link gavin, and see what I can figure out. I have a feeling it is all just poor connections, as the wiring is in pretty poor shape. The spade connectors all need replacing or at least a good and thorough cleaning. I have some brand new toggle switches of the same type, and will replace those first thing. I found the wiring from the stator is from behind the primary case, and was able to trace it up to the coils....which don't look like they are in the best shape lol. The condensers on the side of the coils are pretty rough, I am thinking of pulling everything apart, and cleaning the heck out of it all.

If you looked at the pictures, did you see the Mallory ignition coil for the Model A? Now THAT is old school lol. Also where i got the 2nd large condenser by the points... Oh, and the draft is from the Great Lakes Brewing co., Edmund Fitzgerald Amber Bock....
Charlie

Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721252
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another vote for leaving it alone. make it run & ride it. truth is, you may not ride it much because chopin' a BSA really makes 'em a poor handling machine compared to what they really are. thats probably why it sat so much. but, no point spending money on that one trying to put it back. it is kinda cool as is, for what it is

Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721255
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Originally Posted by Charlie Hawkins

And kevin, you must know where Nelson Ledges is then, and that triple nickel highway down in your neck of the woods! I frequent Nelson Ledges race course during good weather, and the triple nickel highway is like a mini 'Tail of the Dragon' lol.
Charlie


i'm building a 650 track bike for nelson ledges right now.

555 is a bit to the west, but i run 536 whenever i can scrape up the time. went by the north junction with 78 three times the day before yesterday, but i was 71 feet long.


i have no idea what i'm doing.
Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Mitch] #721552
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Kevin, have we met yet? Have you been out to Nelson Ledges since they repaved it in June? I ride an RD350 race bike I built there, and also a VTR250 Interceptor. Was racing in the MotoSeries events under Todd Karam. Sam Wang is running the LEAN track days there, and Fred Wolfe (the Voice of Nelson Ledges) is now the track manager. I was hoping they could get someone to front a racing series there, especially a 250 class with endurance racing. It is one of my favorite tracks! I am still hoping it happens before I get too old. But, my friend Bill Bloom was still racing up to two years ago, and he is 83 or 84 years old now, so God willing I have 20 years yet wink I used to help him in the pits, and have kicked over his 1974 Z1 with the 1080 kit in it, at over 13.5:1 compression lol...

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Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721555
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nope, probably haven't met. i've never been to nelson, just know about it. and it's tires. found out from these guys:

https://ohioriders.net/

i'm a newbie at this this. i figure i have maybe ten more years to go, so i'm making up for lost time as fast as i can.


i have no idea what i'm doing.
Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721559
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Thread drifting ... I used to race at Nelson Ledges, late '60s, in the old AAMRR ...


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Re: 1968 BSA 650 chopper, The Fiberglass Works Kit [Re: Charlie Hawkins] #721812
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Tracy’s was known primarily for their monocoque bodies ( Hurricane style)

http://www.3cyl.com/mraxl/manuals/tracy/tracycatalog

http://www.3cyl.com/mraxl/manuals/tracy/tracypaintcat.pdf

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