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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #709868 09/27/17 10:37 pm
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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #709877 09/28/17 4:11 am
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I'll mention it to the owner. I'm the painter and powder coater, mostly....

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Re: New Square four Project
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I wonder how close this color powder coat is to the original Ariel burgundy? I'm also playing with powdercoating and so far can see a LOT of potential for motorcycle bits. Especially chrome and tinware. A more durable finish and rather easy to apply once you have the gear needed...


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Re: New Square four Project
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That's close enough in my opinion. If you use powder coat, select your color first then have your paint shop match it for the rest of the bike.

I've started painting bits and pieces with the paint I selected. Here's some pics.
It's just the base coat. No clear yet.

[Linked Image]003 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

[Linked Image]002 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

[Linked Image]001 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

It's kind of chameleon.....outside it looks red. In the shadows or at night it looks almost brown.
Looking again, it looks just like the Aggie red powder to me.

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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #710348 10/03/17 12:04 am
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I have transfers coming from Draganfly, but I don't know where some of them go.

One is REG DESIGN which goes somewhere on the the nacelle or FERC whatever that is. (front end reverse coriwinkle?)

The second is the Selly Oak Ariel works that goes somewhere on the rear number plate.

Any ideas?

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Bill


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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #710847 10/08/17 6:47 am
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OK, too late for any input.....

I've nearly completed the paintwork as of today. Only some touchup and finish polishing the tank. I'm pretty happy with the way it came out and can't wait to see it all together. That will have to wait some as the owner is out hunting pirates again and all that motor boat stuff he does.

I could find only a hint of where a couple of the of the transfers actually go so I just gave it a good guess. How would Turner do it, kind of thing.

So, here's what I did.

[Linked Image]003 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

And the oil tank.

[Linked Image]006 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

I could find those locations, but from what I saw, they've ended up all over the place on many bikes. I sorta just did what looked best.

In the next couple of days I'll post pics of all the pieces taken in daylight where the color comes out looking much better.

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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #711154 10/10/17 10:15 pm
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OK, so I've done the whole deal and had to use my own judgement on a few things, like color and decal placement. Remember this is the first Ariel I've ever painted so I was hoping for some input.
And the end of the day, it's the owner that has to be happy with it. I sent off pics to him out there in the Caribbean somewhere. Perhaps he has some kind of internet access....

Anyway, here's the pics.

[Linked Image]010 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

[Linked Image]009 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

[Linked Image]007 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

[Linked Image]005 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

[Linked Image]004 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

[Linked Image]006 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

Meanwhile, we're trying to sort out what we have here. Seems like we have a mix of parts in the plunger. We have the long bolt of the early style. I'm not sure of what else is there, ie. the bottom nut, and also not sure if we should source the later stuff. Later mean improved, right? A guy can hope....not the case with Triumphs, though I've found.

We would need the center rod with threaded ends, the cap nut and washer on top and the fixing nut on bottom (x2 for everything) The spindle is part of the center rod in the later set up.

Is this all we would need?

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Bill


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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #711394 10/13/17 3:09 am
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chirp chirp. only crickets around here lately.....

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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #711404 10/13/17 8:18 am
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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #711481 10/14/17 2:53 am
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Hey, Cas! Are you the Ant Man on the Big Island? Just ran across your name researching ants today. I have a small invasion of tiny red ants in my home. I doubt that they're fire ants 'cause I'm not getting stung, so what are they? They're almost invisible they're so small. I find them in my water pitcher and in the dog's food.

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Bill


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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #711859 10/18/17 12:31 am
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Bill,
Nice work & devout love of the old gold hidden right in front of us.
Have you tried the new water borne paint systems out ?
'....love to paint .....!


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Re: New Square four Project
JBMorris #711873 10/18/17 4:43 am
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Originally Posted by JBMorris
Bill,
Nice work & devout love of the old gold hidden right in front of us.
Have you tried the new water borne paint systems out ?
'....love to paint .....!

I'm sure if I was still in SoCal I would be using it already, but out here we're a bit behind the curve, ie. I can still buy Imron, believe it or not. Highly toxic and super durable, I probably did about 50 paint jobs with it and many of those are here and still in great shape after over 20 years.

Some day, we'll all be using water borne or just powder coating everything. In the meantime, I'm really enjoying using the Shopline products. That clear coat is amazing stuff, and, don't tell anybody, it's SO easy to use!

Cheers,
Bill


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1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Black Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #713423 10/31/17 10:20 pm
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A couple of artsy shots taken today.

[Linked Image]003 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

[Linked Image]004 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

Update. Suspension parts on the way from Blighty....chrome back from the shop. 1000.00$ for a a mere handful of parts. I was aghast at the price!
Need to source chrome from Mexico apparently.

the cost of Bear's paint job 900$ plus materials. (about 160$)

We're both loving it. I love it so much I painted my fan that color.


1917 GE AVV 12 inch electric fan.
[Linked Image]001 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

[Linked Image]016 by William Dunlap, on Flickr

Cheers,
Bill


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1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Black Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #713427 10/31/17 11:52 pm
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Well, Bill, I guess that defines a real Ariel fan ! Great thread, by the way.

Re: New Square four Project
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Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger
[quote=JBMorris]
I'm sure if I was still in SoCal I would be using it already, but out here we're a bit behind the curve, ie. I can still buy Imron, believe it or not. Highly toxic and super durable, I probably did about 50 paint jobs with it and many of those are here and still in great shape after over 20 years.
Bill


i used to get good results by using lacquer color coats, buffing it out, then covering with an imron clear. very nice.


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Re: New Square four Project
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Thanks guys,

I stopped using Imron a while ago. It's a low solids clear when means extra care to prep the surface, then extra care when cutting back and polishing. I used to spend about 40 hours on a Triumph paint job with 2000 wet or dry and a buffing pad. Now, it's 1000 or 1500 and just an hour or so and I'm done. Great stuff that Shopline clear. It can't possibly be as durable as Imron though. That stuff is still used on aircraft engine nacelles....

That fan is an excellent example of the type of craftsmanship and engineering that has been lost. This thing is so smooth I can balance a nickel on it. The bearings are completely without any wear whatsoever after 100 years.

You're lucky to get a season out of a plastic Chinese fan....

Cheers,
Bill

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Re: New Square four Project
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the difference is change, or at least our expectation of it. when your fan was built, people expected to buy one fan in their lifetime, and not need to change their expectations of what a fan should be.

now people expect to turn in their devices for something with more or better features, so there isn't any readon to design them to last.

i don't know, but i imagine modern fans have wireless controllers, programmable patterns and other features, and that they change regularly. unless fans have devolved to completely disposable units, like kleenex.


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Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #713507 11/01/17 9:56 pm
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When it comes to innovation, whether it be on an antique fan or a modern one, no one is doing more than me to drive the technology forward.

Please see youtube video here for an example of what I'm doing.

With my second hobby, that of antique and custom fans, I make orbiters which move in a circular pattern instead of a lateral oscillation and gyros which are basically two fans that rotate around a lamp.

While I don't make much money with them, it does help to pay for my hobby. I fabricate parts for fans mostly from about 1890-1915 or so.

And I have installed modern devices in them such as remote controls, infinitely variable speed controls and small synchronous gear reduction motors for animation.

Cheers,
Bill


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1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Black Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #713656 11/02/17 10:18 pm
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That's cool, reviving old machines.
and the Ariel is looking great.

Re: New Square four Project
HawaiianTiger #717921 12/06/17 3:18 pm
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Just noticed this thread the other day. Nice work, Bill. You are certainly an asset to the britbike community on the islands!

Cheers,

Steve


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Re: New Square four Project
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No progress lately on the Ariel. Owner off island working. In the meantime we're looking for wheel rims for it. I was wondering if anyone had a source for them in stainless stateside. I think Draganfly has them but the shipping....
Oh, we want to lace them up with stainless spokes and nipples, too.
Anyone?

Cheers,
Bill


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1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Black Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: New Square four Project
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Buchanans?

Re: New Square four Project
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We're working with Buchanans now. They'll be supplying the spokes. If someone has specs on the spokes, that could save us a lot of work, and possibly save us from ordering the wrong ones.

Wheel rims? I wonder if they are actually BSA items?

Cheers,
Bill


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1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Black Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: New Square four Project
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Draganfly has everything you need. Double-check their shipping rates - they are very reasonable I've found. https://www.draganfly.co.uk/index.php/ariel/ariel/4-stroke/category/798-798-

Re: New Square four Project
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Hi Bill,

Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger
Wheel rims? I wonder if they are actually BSA items?

Aiui, BSA The Automotive Division dual-sourced from Dunlop and Jones (with Dunlop usually supplying Meriden while Jones usually supplied Small Heath, but both rim makes have been found on both marques). What makes you think Selly Oak might not have sourced from one or both rim makers and/or what Ariel used was different?

Regards,

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