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Need clutch plates in US #698287
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I believe I'm in need of clutch plates for my 54 MSS, anyone have a good source in US? Any ounce in US?

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Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698290
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Just a word of caution here mate...
What makes you think that you need new clutchplates?
Remember, this Velo clutch is like no other! -It can show various symptoms that can be misleading if you are used to working with conventional clutches.
It's quite possible that it's showing the symptoms of worn plates, but it may not be that at all.
What are the symptoms?

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It doesn't seem to want to go into gear. I have pics of the plates, let me see if I can post them.

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Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698294
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Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698295
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I think they are missing things that are needed!

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I am also open to any recommendations on clutch mods. If needed. I'm new to the Velocette world.

Thanks

Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698297
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Well, yes! those missing tabs on the plain plates are, err... not good. (Actually bloody 'orrible!!!) Dis you find any bits of steel floating around in the PCC?
As you say an new set of plain and inserted plates is required. The question is what is the chain-wheel like?
Are the chainwheel inserts fairly even and similar? proud of the steel? Teeth reasonable? centre bearing ok?
If they are reasonable just get a set of the plain and inserted plates and try it.
You have a good club over there, surely they have a club spares scheme?
Here (Oz) I'd get them from our club, or Grove Classics in UK.

The clutch thrust bearing is a big issue with Velos. Velo owners do not 'ride' the clutch, we learn to find neutral before stopping, because the standard thrust bearing can't handle the pressure.
There is an easily available 'uprated' thrust bearing which replaces the 3/16" balls with rollers. Fixes the issue. That's the best thing you can do with your clutch.
The next best 'upgrade' is to learn is the clutch adjustment routine, and use it without fail!

Other things to be aware of are:
Ensure you have an original clutch lever, or one with the right amount of throw.
A good cable is a MUST.
There are a few setup tricks, (like shims behind the banjo) but it's beyond the scope here.

Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: Joolstacho] #698412
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Great I'm going to get an order in so I can replace it all and ad the roller bearing thrust plate.
Thanks for the great advice.

Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698424
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You'll need the 3-piece thrust bearing assembly consisting of:
1. Flat hardened steel ring.
2. Roller bearing - brass/bronze caged race with rollers.
3. Spherical hardened steel ring.
Will probably be sold as an assembly, but it's as well to know what you need.


Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698503
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I also live in the USA so when you get it please post the part numbers and where you got it from. Thanks Dave

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Will do, getting an order together right now. I will let you all know how it goes.

Cheers from the other side of the Country!
Signal Mountain, Tn.

Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698683
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I am trying to identify a name for a part without the parts book to speed up my order. There are two washers or shims behind the sprocket on the crank output. Does anyone know what those would be called? I have all the other parts nailed down but don't know what these would be called.

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Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698688
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I think you must mean the 'Driving shaft shim'
Comes in 4 thicknesses:
2 thou, 3thou, 5 thou, 8 thou thick.
They fit between the main bearing and the crankcase, and provide the correct preload for the crankshaft mainbearings.
You have to go through a process of measuring and selective assembly to get the correct preload on the main bearings. From memory a few thou.
Bit of a 'business' to fit.
But they're INSIDE the crankcase. I don't think there's anything else meant to be there outside the crankcase behind the engine sprocket.

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These are definitely outside the cases behind engine sprocket, not sure why a P.O. would have added those but time will tell. Looks like something that could be sourced locally if needed for some reason. Thanks for all your help, I will keep you all posted on the progress.
Cheers

Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698706
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Perhaps these shims are an attempt by a previous owner to bring the primary chain into alignment??
I don't think Velocette showed anything here as a part or in the parts book.
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Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: M20] #698738
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Yes, or an attempt to pack out a weak engine shaft shock absorber spring. -Which could explain why they look pretty graunched up.

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...And while you're down there (as the actress said...) check for crankshaft end-float.
There should be no end float at all, -the bottom end is assembled with a small amount of preload, briefly, you assemble crank, bearings, shims etc, into the cases, so you have .004" preload.
Meaning when you get the cases together but not bolted firmly together, you should be able to slide a 4 thou feeler gauge between the case mating surfaces, then you'll have 4 thou preload when they're all bolted up tight.

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If you still need any clutch driven plates I should have some good ones (3) somewhere, but they are for a Venom not an MSS

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They should be the same.

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M20, Where are you ordering the clutch plates and roller throwout bearing assembly from? Can you post the part numbers? Thanks, Dave

Re: Need clutch plates in US [Re: DAVE ARTHUR] #699450
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Grove Classic Motorcycles is the place I ordered from, I am at British in the Blueridge right now, I will send a parts list when I get home Sunday. I ordered everything I could for a 7 plate clutch.

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Joolstacho, or anyone with info on the MSS, is there a seal behind the engine sprocket or the inner primary behind the engine sprocket? I don't have a parts book so I am trying to make sure everything is there that's suppose to be. The inner primary tin seems a little wanked, may be sticking out a little more than it should. I don't see anything to stop oil from flooding primary.

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I will list the parts I ordered for the 7 plate clutch tomorrow, left the list in my truck, I ordered from Grove Classic last week and it was here today ! They should get an A+ for shipping, I have had parts on order from England for my James from another company for over a month and I still don't know if they are on the way or not! I may trash that company later but.... Grove Classics has done a good job on this order and I will order from them again. I promise a ride report when the MSS is on the road in the East Tennessee Mountains, soon I hope.

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