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Post a picture of your Velocette here #690053
03/31/17 11:29 pm
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You are welcome to post photos of your own or your friends Velocette here.
Let see who is first in line!

Btw we may need a moderator let me know if its your call..

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Re: Post a picture of your Velocette here [Re: Morgan aka Admin] #690059
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At the risk of overexposing my Clubman, let's get the ball rolling.
(Thanks Morgan).

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I rescued this bike from a suss little Danish feller in London in 1974, (I think he might have been running drugs with it between Copenhagen and London).
The bike was well shagged, but complete, 99% original, and a genuine Clubman. I was happy to chuck him 80 quid for it.
I had just passed up on a perfect DBD34 Goldie for 400 quid, -it seemed excessive at the time (Hah!!!)
It then emigrated to Oz and got the treatment. Don't ask me to choose between it and one of my kids!

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What's different between a Velo like this, and a bike like a Triumph 650 or A65 BSA or BSA B50, in terms of living with it and maintaining it?

I've had enough experience with BSAs that I feel like if I bought a pre-unit Gold Star, I'd be pretty familiar with how it all worked, with some exceptions for setting cylinder head spacing, but the clutch and tranny and gear train and such would be pretty standard.

Where does a bike like this catch you out ... ?

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Re: Post a picture of your Velocette here [Re: Morgan aka Admin] #690156
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Re: Post a picture of your Velocette here [Re: Morgan aka Admin] #691048
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A couple more...
This is the little pre-war iron 350 MAC racer I built about 20 years ago. Velo lads will see plenty of mods and upgrades. (Not quite finished when the shot was taken). Nice quick little thing, sharp as a tack, -I should never have sold it, (what's new).
Underneath is a KSS/Viper special, (the pre-war cammy motor in a later post-war swing arm frame) by an anonymous Tasmanian feller, - no pretence to originality, but a nice little cafe racer.
(Thanks to Stephen Thewliss for the pic).

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My mechanically refurbished but cosmetically challenged Viper


1958 Triton
1958 Triumph 650 Speed Twin
1958 Velocette Viper
1959 Norton 650SS bitsa
1961 BSA Bantam D1
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I DO like that well-used VR.
Here's my Clubman when I first bought it (same bike as the top pic). Not quite so pretty! It'd had a hard life - only 10 years old at that stage.

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This is what mine looked like when I bought it. The engine was free but the gearbox was a rusty mess thanks to a crack in the bottom of the casing.


1958 Triton
1958 Triumph 650 Speed Twin
1958 Velocette Viper
1959 Norton 650SS bitsa
1961 BSA Bantam D1
Re: Post a picture of your Velocette here [Re: Morgan aka Admin] #691861
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Pair of Velocettes at the Baxter Cycle rally last August.

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Just arrived back from the "Broadford Bike Bonanza" (Victoria Australia) -As always, a brilliant occasion. Could spend hours eulogising the bikes seen and heard, but this'n stood out for me.
KTT Velocette racer, don't know much about it re: year, model etc, (maybe MK7 -8?), but what I loved about it is that it has been left just as raced, back in the day, -no restoration, no polishing, ... oily and rough 'n ready as it would have been back then. It's a family heirloom I gather, from Lara near Geelong.
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KTT Mk 8 ? with a converted front end to telescopic forks and a road front brake

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Yes John, looked pretty orig apart from front end which was RS Tele forks and full-width front hub, (VR, VM type).
If you were racing these in the nineteen fifties, you'd def' upgrade to that front end though eh?
Nice?
Mk7 or 8? Just not sure... the Mk8s seemed to have bigger cylinder finning, do you think?
Actually, who cares, it's just great to see fellers still running these things 'in anger' after all these years!

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I think its a Mk 8. But Im a long way from home at the moment from people who could tell in a second.

As I have said before several friends of mine race OHC Velos in NZ including 2 Mk 8s. At a recent meeting at Levels Chris Swallow riding a Mk 8 with original girder forks actually passed in the in field and beat a 500 Manx and a pre 76? Suzuki Titan 500 with expansion chambers in a Seely frame. Chris is a seriously good rider with seconds in the Manx GP in recent years but the guys on Manx and Suzuki are not too bad either. I have seen the Suzuki rider beat NZ Castrol 6 hour winners back in the day.

So you can really punt a Mk 8 if it's set up well and you are a good rider. You can see these bikes racing at the Burt Munro street races on the NZ racing Velos site.

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Wow! just take a look at this beauty...

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I'm posting these pics on behalf of Dave Arthur, who I reckon is pretty close to the luckiest guy on the planet!
He's recently scored this BEAUTIFUL original low mileage Venom. We're debating exactly what is is, (see his topic), but my theory is that it's a Mk1 Clubman built for the US market (hence high bars instead of clipons).
I'm so envious (even though I've got one pretty similar), -what's great about Dave's is how original it seems to be... look at those finishes, not chromed where it should be zinc or nickel. superb but minimal patina Spent it's life in an air conditioned museum. Mmmmm what a find!

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This is a 1954 ?MSS I recently acquired , was told it has a 350 top end, I think I will just ride it and not worry about displacement.

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Hard to tell from here, whether the crankcases are from the 'iron' MSS or the later post war Alloy MSS. Engine number should tell us.That timing cover went on the earlier 'iron' motor. The later 'smooth' timing cover incorporated a slightly different lubrication system, I'm trying to remember, maybe something to do with an oil jet onto the cams. (Is there a reason the toolbox is sticking out or is it just my eyes?) I've seen them inadvertently mounted wrongly because mounting bracket holes are in the wrong place. Not nit-picking, just curious honest! Nice bike, how does it go?
Yes, agree... just ride it!

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Two Velocettes from yesterday's Vintage Rally at the National Motorcycle Museum.

1947 KSS
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Re: Post a picture of your Velocette here [Re: Joolstacho] #699217
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Jools, I got the dating certificate from Grove along with a copy of the actual factory records. This bike left the factory headed for Rhode Island in the US on
January 28th 1966 and was listed as a VELOCETTE MK1 VENOM CLUBMAN with ENGINE NUMBER 6172 and FRAME# 18690 on invoice #75017.
It seems like seven Velocettes were shipped to VEHICLES RHODE ISLAND within a two week period at that time and then eight more the following month.
The copy that I have of the factory records only shows the first three months of 1966 and after the 15 bikes that I previously mentioned I see no more going to VEHICLES RHODE ISLAND. In any case I now know that this bike is a genuine MK1 Venom Clubman.

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As I suspected a Mk1 Clubman Dave, great! Fabulous bike.
Interestingly my Mk1 Clubman came with a TT carb whereas yours has a Monobloc. Mine is a '64 and yours a '66. Quite likely that AMAL were 'running down' the TT at that time, or maybe they fitted Monoblocs to US market bikes.

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Jools, I got the bike started the other day and rode it around the block. I only got it into second gear. The idle was very high and I could not get it to idle slow. I believe it had an air leak at the head. The o ring in the carb had lost its elasticity and was not touching the hard phenolic spacer. I got a new o ring but the fuel lines have become hard and the petcocks both leaked. I have repaired the petcocks by replacing the corks with VITON o rings. Now I am working on making new fuel lines. I may also replace the oil lines while I'm at it. Hopefully once I put the carb back on it will idle correctly. It was not hard to start and the motor sounded great. Bye the way since this bike left the factory in January of 88 it was actually built in 65. The year on the paperwork is 1967 as here in the states they go by what year the bike was first sold. This one evidently was first sold in 67 so its registered as a 67 but in reality its a 65. I notice in the paperwork there is a "C" after my engine number and I see that on many. I think it might mean CLUBMAN. There is no actual letter "C" stamped into the engine case, have you ever seen a "C" actually stamped into an engine case?

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I'm pretty sure that C in the engine number denotes coil ignition. I'm pretty sure they didn't use a C suffix for the Clubman. (But those ol' blokes filling out the paperwork could have written anything, particularly if it was a friday arvo!)
Yours has a K1FC magneto so it's not coil ign obviously.
Obviously you'll have to go through a re-commissioning process, but if she started easily and sounded ok you're way ahead already.
Yes, high idle could well be air leak around the inlet. I'd definitely flush the lubrication system, but it'll need to be well warmed up. The oil filter is a felt filter, and after all that time 'in storage' I'd feel happier with a fresh new filter. Did you have good oil flow back into the oil tank? When it's running, just ease off the banjo bolt that delivers oil to the rockers up top, -you want to see a seep of oil there so you know it's pumping up there.
Clubmans have one-piece pushrods so you have to take off the zorst then the timing cover to adjust the tappets. Other models you can adjust via the cover at the top of the pushrod tube.

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Jools, From what I read it seem the coil ignitions came later than 65 or even 66. There were many "C" letters on the factory paperwork after the engine numbers, I would say 85% and then there were 15% that said "E" after the engine number and I saw three bikes that did not say either "C" or "E" and they said nothing! I am planning on flushing the lubrication system. The oil was returning intermittently, not a steady stream but almost a steady stream. What is a ZORST? I will loosen the banjo and check to see if it is flowing. I bought a new oil filter from Grove but it is not felt, it is screen! I haven't taken mine out yet so I don't know what it is. Dave

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Dave and Jools,
I have a '67 Venom Endurance. My bet is that Dave is correct that the "C" on the paperwork means Clubman. I will also bet that the "E" designation Dave refers to means Endurance. My recollection is that the coil ignition didn't start till '68 or '69.

Ed from NJ

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Sorry Dave... zorst = exhaust.

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I believe you have nailed it with the meaning of the letters. Makes sense C= Clubman E= Endurance and nothing meant Venom.

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[Sorry ...this may be a bit too much colo(u)r for the lads formerly of Hall Green ...?]

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Wow! fabulous thing. And you're right, that frame colour is a bit 'in-yer-face'! Tell us how it goes.
Lots of the fittings are the same as on my now departed '72 Ducati 450R/T, -Forks, triples, controls, switches, lights etc.
The last gasp, it was.

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WOW, great looking bike. What year did Indian have them?

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I'm getting a little... err... uneasy about these 'letters'. We need to distinguish between what may be written on the paperwork and what is stamped on the engine cases. It was all too easy to scrawl something on the paperwork back in the day, so that's not a reliable indication of what Velocette classed the bike as. And that's the important thing... it's the actual engine number stamped on the LH crankcase that is the identifier.

Of course over the years some crankcases have been replaced, (usually as a result of the driveside bearing punching through the crankcase), so we're dealing with the imperfect anyway.
I just would like to urge caution against assuming that certain letters mean certain things even though the letter on the papers seems convenient.
So...

'C' did NOT mean Clubman, and 'E' did not mean Endurance. (On paperwork the boys could write anything)... It's the crankcase stampings that are the REAL I.D.

MAC, MSS, VR, VM, VMT. They were the postwar prefixes. When the coil ignition was fitted, there would be a 'C' suffix AFTER the engine number. - C means COIL, not Clubman.

I'll try to unearth my info on engine numbers soon, lets try not to jump to convenient conclusions. It's all too easy for misinformation (fake news Donald?!) to become fact once it gets splattered all over the net.


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The Indian Velo is a restoration of a 1970 year bike, but based on the Leo Tartarini (Italjet) prototype (instead of the stock color ugly bike) commissioned by Floyd Clymer back in the day, 1968/1969. The original prototype is in the possession of Tom Brim, and has the blue painted frame, but the blue is somewhat darker in color and faded compared to this restoration. I sold this bike (in the photos) a while back, to a gent in North Carolina. He seems happy with it but said the clutch was slipping... I never did master the art of the Velo clutch but presumably he got it sorted. By the way, even though the original Tartarini prototype of 1969 had the frame painted blue, I caught a lot of flak for doing that. Many folks who were interested in the bike were put off by the color. It's a shame because the bike as I received it was in worse than terrible shape, and deserved special treatment. And as a tribute to Tartarini I still believe it was the right thing to do.

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Such a shame we've 'lost' many of the pics because of the greed of Photobucket. It's happened all over the forums. Mine still appear because they are hosted by Imageshack at a cost of about $35 a year, -similar to what Photobucket are charging for a month from what I've heard. I shall be researching what other companies are associated with Photobucket, and will boycott them where possible.

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Joolstacho,
I am awaiting a new forum release this fall. With that new release members could upload hi resolution images to BritBike's server for storage.
The photos will be compressed to a much smaller size however this service will be offered to premium members which either pay a
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one year membership of $12.95

photos uploade needs to be related to our BritBike hobby just as the posts needs to be.
The above service will drive costs for the website as we need to increase storage space / Bandwidth and so on.

Photos will be secured on the server as long as the threads/posts stays up meaning if you delete a post the attached photo will also be deleted.

We are not quit there yet but hopefully later this year.

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Thanks for the info Morgan, sounds like a useful upgrade, though the issue for me personally would be that I need my hosted images to be available on at least a dozen different forums -(not only bikes).

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Here's my late 60s Venom Clubman. It's registered as a 1969, but that was year of sale, frame and engine are older by a few years. Just recently brought back to life after sitting in my parents garage for about 9 years.
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'57 Norton 19S
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That's super Eric, well done for rescuing it. Good score, how does it go?
It has the smaller, rounded 'Scrambler' tank, (the Clubman tank was the 41/4 gallon more rectangular shape). But has the equipment you'd expect for a late 60's jobbie. Is it a TLS or SLS front brake?

Who knows what variants/equipment combinations Velo were shipping to the US around '69, I think there was some mix 'n matching going on using up stock just before the fall.
(Eeek! Those bars hurt my eyes though!!!! :-)

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Oh, c'mon... Those are "American" bars! It's all totally original. It has the TLS brake, Thruxton forks and fenders, tachometer, and K1FC magneto per Clubman spec. There was an east coast importer who thought his batch of Velos would sell better with the high bars, scrambler tank, non swept back exhaust, and a little more chrome on the generator belt cover and chain guard. I've thought about getting some low English bars. My dad thinks we need to upgrade to 12v and an Alton starter!


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Yes the US importers often dictated to the english factories what would be put together.

There's the story about a major US BSA/Triumph importer who sent over a sample of a silver paint off a Ducati that he wanted for the frames of the upcoming models.
Well, the bloke who ran the pommie paintshop looked at the sample and looked at his stores, and picked out something he thought was similar enough, and so they went with that.
And thats how those BSA and Triumph twins ended up with that AWFUL light grey frame colour that looks like primer!

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Jools, another question about the letters on the factory paperwork. I have a Venom MK 1 Clubman according to the factory paper work. They put the letter "C" on the paperwork but there never was a VENOM CLUBMAN with the letter C on the engine cases. All Venoms just said VM even if they were a Clubman. Do you agree? By the way I got mine running and it runs like brand new. It starts on one or two kicks and idles great. I adjusted the clutch with the little tool thru the sprocket and it has a little play in the cable and goes into gear without grinding. It does not slip and the trans shifts like butter. The lights and horn and brake light all work and the original Miller Dynamo is charging and the ammeter gauge is working but it is not the original one anymore. I am having the original one rebuilt.. I had the speedo rebuilt so it is now steady at any speed, then I lubed the cable. I put a dummy battery case on it with a 6 volt battery hidden inside. I put two new tires on it and the original brakes looked like new. I also put new clear oil lines on it and changed the stock check valve on the bottom of the oil tank to an "ON/OFF" one. I have a red flag hooked to it to remind me to turn on the oil before I start the bike. Its to hot here in Las Vegas to ride the bike for any distance but in another month that will change. Dave

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Yes Dave, dead right. BUT... Never a MK1 CLUBMAN with 'C' on the crankcases. But Mk2 Clubman might have 'C' stamped, because the 'C' stood for Coil ignition which the twos could have.

I should have clarified my previous comments re: numbers.
Postwar, Velocette only used the MAC, MSS VR, VM, VMT stamps on the crankcases, but towards the end they added a 'C' suffix for the coil ignition models. The later Mk2 Clubman would have had the 'C' suffix but only if it was fitted with coil ignition instead of magneto. But no Mk1s had coil, so no 'C' on their stamps. Clubmans had no special stamping on the crankcases.

BUT! - the paperwork from the factory to the distributor could include extra letters that indicated the model spec. C - clubman, E - endurance, S - scrambler (special?) etc.
I think the REAL key to it is knowing exactly what equipment etc the bike had. For example, there are a lot of Clubmans around that were never actually Clubmans from the factory. But if you know the clues to look for it helps ID the bike.

For example (and here's a little known secret) English market Clubmans always had clip-on handlebars, so the top yoke was different, without the handlebar clamp 'extensions' in the casting because it didn't need the handlebar clamps on top.
And those rear brake levers are a giveaway for Mk1 Clubmans too... Hmmm... Not many of the fake Clubmans have the correct rear bake lever.

But the trouble is with all this is that really, Velocette were a 'cottage industry', and there was a lot of give and take in terms of specs and equipment. I don't think they were so hard and fast, - if a parts shelf had run out, a substitute part would be fitted.

Eric's beautiful bike up there bears little resemblance to a UK market Clubman, but Lou Branch obviously had enough 'pull' with the factory to get batches of bikes made for him, to HIS spec. But that extra chrome plating... where that got done who could know. I'm not doubting Eric's bike at all, just saying that 'factory' specs could be quite 'variable'.

Dave your machine sounds just excellent, congrats mate, dead pleased for you especially as its an easy starter. (Just obey that red flag, - there are a few very sad stories of blokes who have 'forgotten' to turn on the manual oil feed taps!!!)

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For what it's worth, my Clubman has no C stamp on the crankcase, which is consistent with it having the K1FC magneto.

My bike originally came from an East Coast importer, rather than Lou Branch out of Los Angeles. It would be easy to jump to that conclusion since I live in Pasadena, CA, but I bought the bike from the original owner who I believe purchased it in Virginia. This spec of Clubman is briefly alluded to in "Our Own Velocette Service manual", which is a great little booklet put out by the Reliable Cycle Shop. Quoting from Page 9, the section on Gas and Oil Tanks:

"Scramblers and the Endurance machine use the MAS63/2 teardrop-shaped tank, chromed with painted panels. A few Clubman models were exported to the
USA in the late '60s with this tank as the importer thought it would increase sales appeal;"

A transcribed version of this booklet can be found here (I have an original type-written copy somewhere): http://v-tec.velocette.info/Files/RELIABNP.pdf



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C'mon Dave, where's a picture of this Velo of yours? smile


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Eric, I originally posted the pics of Daves bike on his behalf, so it's in my post (which is confusing I know), -see about 2/3 down page 1 of this topic - the post is from me but it is several pics of Dave's fabulous bike.

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Cool! It would help if I read more carefully.
Awesome bike Dave!


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Hi Jools, interesting about the top yoke for the clubman MK1. I had a top yoke kicking around that was NOS . painted Thruxton Blue . You are correct that they were fitted to clip on equipped bikes . They were also fitted to early Thruxtons to special request and perhaps MK2 venoms. They were made by having the handlebar clamps milled off on a horizontal mill. you can tell if you look at the machined surface. I fiitted this particular top yoke to a clubman Mk2 and discovered perhaps the main reason for fitting this item.. The Gas tank can be removed without taking the seat off. super im,portant advantage in production racing with pit stops.

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Hi Jools, interesting about the top yoke for the clubman MK1. I had a top yoke kicking around that was NOS . painted Thruxton Blue . You are correct that they were fitted to clip on equipped bikes . They were also fitted to early Thruxtons to special request and perhaps MK2 venoms. They were made by having the handlebar clamps milled off on a horizontal mill. you can tell if you look at the machined surface. I fiitted this particular top yoke to a clubman Mk2 and discovered perhaps the main reason for fitting this item.. The Gas tank can be removed without taking the seat off. super im,portant advantage in production racing with pit stops.

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It could have been fitted to the Mk1 Clubman too. My '64 Mk1 has this top yoke and was a very original bike (which I got when it was about 10 years old).

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I pick this 1959 Modified MSS up from a wonderful gentleman in Sacramento in a few weeks. Thrilled to be joining Velocette owners. Will make a nice compliment to my Matchless thumper

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MSS looks a treat Danilo, lovely, well done. I note that it has the good Triumph/BSA TLS front brake, the one from around '68-'69.
And is that a Mikuni on it or a mk2 Concentric?
(Once you've run on the Velo I doubt that the Matchy will get much use!)

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Mikuni. The vid I saw shows two kicks on cold!


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Video here


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Danilo, do you happen to have specs on that Mikuni that's on the Venom?
Mikuni model number, Bore dia, (28mm? 30mm?) and jetting.

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