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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Gary E] #679548 01/01/17 2:23 pm
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Been busy but finally got back to the west coast hornet. The frame is painted. The lower end has been rebuilt. Had to get the crank ground. I'm waiting on rims and rear fender to get polished and rechromed. Have almost all the parts. Came across another 67 tank with the indents in and found another set of TT pipes. They have a couple of small dents but would be good for breaking in the engine. The only thing I'm needing is a good set of side covers as mine have been trimed down. Glad to see the hornet thread is back.

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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #679567 01/01/17 4:01 pm
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Glad you're still around Leo, Happy New Year!

I'm building another 66, but using up leftovers and it isn't going to be too shiny.

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #679615 01/01/17 8:40 pm
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Leo,

Good to see you back. I'll check my side cover supply. I've added your additional set of TT pipes to the data base.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Gary E] #680056 01/05/17 4:07 am
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Hi Gary. These are the numbers of my 66 East Coast.
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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #681963 01/19/17 11:30 pm
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Okay, well I stepped out of my wheel house and bought my first unit BSA. A pretty original survivor '65 Hornet popped up on the local craigslist. The price was reasonable and it came with some extras. Anybody need a ' 66 Hornet frame?


Pictures tomorrow. It might be still listed on the Portland/Eugene craigslist.

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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Boomer] #681964 01/19/17 11:32 pm
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Hi Bill,

I spoke to Reed as well. Looks like you go yourself cool bike. He mentioned he had an extra tank. Any interest in letting one of those tanks go?


Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #681969 01/20/17 2:39 am
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Just got home. Both tanks had issues. I left the spare tank which is a later one with the later lower cap.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682153 01/21/17 1:35 pm
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Okay, got it home and unloaded. Here's some pictures of my, new to me, '65 Spitfire Hornet.


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Obvious things are the lights and shorty muflers have been added. The gauges are wrong and the wheel rims rusty. Later finned valve cover. Electrics have been switched over to 12V coil/battery. Abox with all the original AC ignition came with it. It's been in storage since 1990 but the engine still turns over.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682189 01/21/17 4:53 pm
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You did good. It looks fine. Mostly original. That kill button and the mount are hard to source.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682191 01/21/17 4:54 pm
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So the tank needs repair. Unfortunately it looks like it got punched right where the left emblem decal would have been. I've heard and read about all the nightmares of the fiberglass tanks but seeing how this is original I would like to try and repair it. So I'm looking for a good fiberglass repair guy.

i bought the bike from the son who inherited it from his dad that did all the changes. When he or someone that was helping him move it they put the small tear in the seat. Too bad as it is a really nice original seat with a really clean pan and good foam.


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There are two gauges and the speedo is driven off of the gearbox. Is this something added? I thought A65's were driven off the rear wheel and that Hornets just had tachs.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682195 01/21/17 5:10 pm
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When I took the tank off there was something rattlinng around inside. This is what came out.


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The 12V ignition was done rather nicely at the time with all Lucas parts, coils, rectifier, capacitor and the setup looks like it was taken off a britbike or all original parts off the shelf.


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The handle bars have been changed out but apparently is was easier to keep the cables attached to the throttle twist and choke cables. Here's the remnant of the cable guide that was mounted on the original bars. It's under the duct tape.



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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Gary E] #682200 01/21/17 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Gary E
You did good. It looks fine. Mostly original. That kill button and the mount are hard to source.



Is that the original kill button and mount? I was wondering about that, I thought they might have had the round handlebar mounted one like the ones on Triumphs.

The coils and all the mounting hardware are clean and newish looking tho the coils do have the cracks.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682223 01/21/17 8:22 pm
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No speedo originally on Spitfire Hornets.

Pieces from inside the tank are not uncommon. It's just left over resin or gel coat when the tank was built. Likely if you were to flush the tank with acetone and sheet rock screws, a bunch more would come out.

Looks like the original Spitfire Hornet wire harness got changed out to one for lighting and traditional coils/battery.

The kill button and mounting plate are original.

The primary chain engine sprocket is different on Spitfire hornets than standard. And there is a timing disc between it and the rotor that is not on standard models.

Looks to have an original Spitfire Hornet rear fender which is a real plus.

And those original air cleaners with outer dust guard are hard to find. I have a pair hanging on my shop wall.

Carbs look to be non-handed originals.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682352 01/23/17 12:20 am
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Great Hornet! This one is my dads in FL, it is also a 1965. Not nearly as stock. Any idea what forks are on this one? I know they aren't stock. He needs to rebuild them so we are trying to find out.

Was the kill switch mounted on the left side opposite of the oil tank? When my dad got this Hornet it had a toggle switch there for a kill switch. He replaced it with one on the handle bar. See a picture below.

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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682354 01/23/17 1:07 am
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On a Spitfire Hornet the kill button is mounted to a triangular plate which in turn is mounted on two of the top yoke handlebar bolts.

Hornets ('66/'67) is a button mounted in a chrome holder direct to the handle bar.

I can't tell what that last image is of.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682358 01/23/17 3:45 am
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Those leading axel forks look to be Spanish or maybe Italian make. Your top tree has a provision for a fork lock that wasn't present on a Hornet.

The triangular shaped plate and kill switch Gary was referring to is in the top portion of this picture.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Boomer] #682365 01/23/17 6:01 am
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Bill,

The early unit twins had gearbox driven speedo's. The change to rear wheel driven was 66.

Looks like you found a nice survivor!

Congrats


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682388 01/23/17 1:11 pm
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Thanks Rich. First guy that looked at it told the owner all that was wrong with it and then lowballed him. Said he'd come back in a few days and talk some more. He called me and I took the two hour drive South. Once I took a good look over I could see it was pretty complete and original, we negotiated a little on the price so I snapped it up. I know preunit stuff pretty well but have avoided the unit BSA uptil now. Is it the same inner cover with just the drive blanked off or were they different covers?


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682661 01/26/17 10:18 am
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Now that you have discovered unit twins, I'll take all that outdated pre unit junk you have cluttering up your shop.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682676 01/26/17 12:24 pm
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Yeah, it is junk isn't it. So what do you think BritTwit, a couple o'hundred bucks? Marilyn could turn the old barn into a boutique shop and I'll hide out in the basement making wine.



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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682693 01/26/17 4:30 pm
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too late. I already made a deal with Marilyn for $100.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: BritTwit] #682707 01/26/17 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by BritTwit
too late. I already made a deal with Marilyn for $100.


laughing

Still remember being next to you and Marilyn at a fuel station in 2014 during one of the ride outs. I went pillion on back of a friends bike. But as mentioned above now you've found unit twins... you won't be wanting that very nice Goldie/clipper?? that you were riding that day laughing


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: Two Alpha] #682779 01/27/17 12:28 pm
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'67 Hornet for sale at Burton's in the UK. Part of a container full of machines from the US to the UK. At 4,000 GBP, that is $5,000 USD, which is a lot of green ($); but maybe in the UK where Hornets were not available back in the day, they can get that price.

http://burtonbikebits.net/barn-find-british-bikes-for-sale/


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Spanish forks are Bultaco. Possibly the wheel too. I'm no expert.

Gary E.
Just to clarify the statement about air filters. Was that style with the cover fitted to Hornets? What Years?

Cheers
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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored) [Re: BrizzoBrit] #683351 02/01/17 5:55 pm
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I believe they are Betor. The only marking on the forks is a thumbs up.

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