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Charlotte's sidecar #652861
05/15/16 4:12 pm
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im working on my daughter Charlotte's sidecar im building this so we all can go out together as a family i recently bought a watsonian plama on eBay nice sidecar then unable to brig my self to remove the watsonian monarch from the m21 i convinced jen we need another bike so i bought a 1954 BSA Golden Flash
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BSA B31 1956
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Re: Charlotte's sidecar [Re: lightningrob] #652865
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Good move Rob. :bigt What a sweet combo that will be!

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Re: Charlotte's sidecar [Re: lightningrob] #662203
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right so im thinking of starting on this project soon i have a 54 flash swinging arm no side car lugs at all. any idears? . i can work out a top front clamp for the down tubes and a lower front through the engine mounting bolt but where and how am i going to mount the lower rear ball joint as the normal side car lug is not part of the frame for this year so do i make a lug weld it to my frame or clamp ? any photos ?


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BSA M21 1953
BSA A10 Golden Flash 1954
BMW R80/7 1980
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Re: Charlotte's sidecar [Re: lightningrob] #662281
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Hi Rob----it is now many years ago (1980 ish) but I faced the same problem as you---the need to have a sidecar to accommodate an addition to the family.
I too bought a Watsonian Palma and a BSA A10--in my case a 1982 ex City of Birmingham Flash.
Useful in that it was fitted with both a dynamo (for normal bike purposes)and an alternator (for police radio etc).
The Palma was missing the tonneau cover so I went to the Watsonian plant in Greet, Birmingham to buy one.
I only had enough money for the cover.
The guy behind the spares counter was disabled from WWII--I think he only had one arm.
He got me the cover then asked me how I was going to attach it.
I then realized that it needed press studs around the outside edges of the cover to fix it to the wrap around screen.
I told him that I had no more money so would have to come back the next week to get the fixings.
He told me to wait and went out the back.
He came back with a bag with a quantity of press stud fittings and the special tool to fix them to the cover. I told him that I didn't have money but he just said "Enjoy the chair"
Interestingly I still have that tool and whenever I come across it in my tool kit I think of that guy. Not too many people like that around these days!
But--to your question about the fittings.
Working from a failing memory from over 35 years ago-----
As you say--top front from a clamp across the front down tubes. But not two flat bars--make sure that you have circular clamps around each down tube with a circular clamp attached to each to hold the swans neck. I have seen too many flattened front down tubes over the years!
Bottom front as you say--from the engine mount. You used to be able to get special bolts with the clevis already welded to the bolt but these days you will probably have to make that yourself--not too difficult.
The rear top fitting bolted onto the bike if I remember correctly through a lug on the frame under the top frame tube just behind the back of the gas tank and under the front of the seat.
The rear bottom fitting bolted through a lug in the pillion footrest frame loop.
Now I am not sure if these rear lugs were on the 1954 A10 because at that stage I think BSA were still selling plunger A10s for sidecar use but by 1962 plunger production had long since ceased and they were recommending the swinging arm A10s for sidecar use.
If your frame does not have these lugs then it may be worth trying to get some details from a later A10 frame and copy these on your frame.
HTH and best of luck.
And---lucky Charlotte--to have such a considerate Dad and to be able to look forward to some wonderful rides in the chair.

Re: Charlotte's sidecar [Re: Tridentman] #678055
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thanks for your story and advice Tridentman i have now striped down to just the frame and will make propper welded on sidecar lugs .


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BSA M21 1953
BSA A10 Golden Flash 1954
BMW R80/7 1980
BMW R100RT 1983
Re: Charlotte's sidecar [Re: lightningrob] #678091
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just a mock up of the outfit

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BSA A10R 1961
BSA B31 1956
BSA D7 1966
BSA D10S 1967
BSA M21 1953
BSA A10 Golden Flash 1954
BMW R80/7 1980
BMW R100RT 1983
Re: Charlotte's sidecar [Re: lightningrob] #678099
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Very nice, inspiring to us slow outfit restorers.

Re: Charlotte's sidecar [Re: lightningrob] #697409
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update having trouble with the a10 and cant afford to get it sorted this year so i have put the palma on the M21 charlottes seat is sorted and the has been out on several bike runs all good [Linked Image]
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Normal for Norfolk
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BSA A65L 1971
BSA A10R 1961
BSA B31 1956
BSA D7 1966
BSA D10S 1967
BSA M21 1953
BSA A10 Golden Flash 1954
BMW R80/7 1980
BMW R100RT 1983
Re: Charlotte's sidecar [Re: lightningrob] #697453
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Nice Pics Rob, your daughter appears to have a good time in the sidecar. :bigt


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Re: Charlotte's sidecar [Re: lightningrob] #698042
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Great photos Rob. Memories of these rides will last your daughter through the rest of her life.
Experiences that she has but I guess all her friends do not.
And good for you for giving her those experiences.
Best of luck in sorting the A10.


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