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Replacing a lost key
#650893 05/01/16 11:25 am
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Garage finds never seem to come with a key. Usually I just buy a new ignition switch w/2 new keys. My current BSA A65 project was only $35 shipped for a genuine Lucas switch. For my next project, a Triumph T-160 on deck, the cheapest complete switch I found is $52. However, I do find a new lock cylinder w/keys for only $21 shipped.

My switch has a lock number and the T-160 manual has a big table of correcponding key number codes but I seriously doubt I can now stroll into my local Triumph dealer and order that key for a 1975 bike... or can I?

What do most folks here do? Just buy a new ign switch complete or just change out the lock cylinder when available? Is changing out the lock cylinder nothing more than pulling the ign switch assembly, finding a release mechanism for the lock cylinder and just popping in the new one?

I sure would feel stupid buying a $52 ign switch when all I really need is a simple $21 change out of the lock cylinder.


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Re: Replacing a lost key
Mr Bentwrench #650904 05/01/16 12:36 pm
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What do most folks here do? Just buy a new ign switch complete

That's what I did to replace the worn lock switch of the OIF A65T.
Just a simple on / off functionality, without the useless position to keep a parking light on.

I do not remember what I paid so it was not too dramatic or I would have...
Thinking deep, maybe around 30 Euro's... (34 USD / 23 GBP).


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Mr Bentwrench #650911 05/01/16 1:12 pm
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Hi,

Originally Posted by Mr Bentwrench
My switch has a lock number and the T-160 manual has a big table of correcponding key number codes but I seriously doubt I can now stroll into my local Triumph dealer and order that key for a 1975 bike... or can I?

Never tried it but ... the T160's keys were from the Wilmott-Breeden 'FS' range, also used on contemporary British cars and other vehicles; I can remember going to a locksmith and him reaching down a key off a display board ...

Or a locksmith can cut you a key from the number? Or someone in your car club has had keys supplied by a specialist with a website ...?

Originally Posted by Mr Bentwrench
I sure would feel stupid buying a $52 ign switch

Bear in mind too that, for all the "Genuine Lucas" garf being peddled on the www, most if not all new switches available are either Wassell's pattern tat or someone else's pattern tat. frown It's possible to open up original switches and clean up the internal contacts, corrosion being the usual reason they stop working. Btw, if you have the T160's switch out, before refitting it, drill a small hole in the brown material of the bottom, at what'll be the lowest point when the switch is refitted; any water getting in the top can then run straight out rather than swilling around in the bottom corroding the contacts. :bigt

Btw2, answering a question you didn't ask, the steering lock is secured in the bottom yoke with a grub screw, covered by a lead plug and paint ... smile

Hth.

Regards,

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Mr Bentwrench #650998 05/02/16 3:30 am
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Google 'fs key' and searching from the UK at least shows several results where you can buy FS keys by number ready cut.

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kommando #651001 05/02/16 5:56 am
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can recommend these
http://www.nukey.co.uk/
used them a couple of times,dont know if they send stuff to the states though
yosemite
p.s if you cant get one in states I would be willing to order one and send it on

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Mr Bentwrench #651020 05/02/16 9:00 am
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Any locksmith worth his salt should be able to cut a key when you bring him the cylinder.

I took a steering lock cylinder to a local locksmith, he serviced the lock and cut 2 keys for under $10.

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Mr Bentwrench #651050 05/02/16 11:14 am
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Try Triple-C Motor Accessories they sell key blanks and precut keys. You need to supply the three digit code number for the FS key. I have had keys cut by giving them the three digit code for my MGA and they work fine.

Triple-C sells different styles but this is the FS key style used on British bikes. Apparently they also sell key blanks made in the UK as well.


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Mr Bentwrench #651312 05/03/16 11:32 pm
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The answer to your question is 'Yes' you can easily replace just the key portion of the switch.

However, ignition switches are one of the first electrical devices to go bad. And they don't simply go bad, they go intermittent first, which will cause owners to loose lots of hair and lots of sleep. Look all over the switch. Real Lucas items are date stamped with the month and year of manufacture. ("0873" would be August 1973.) If the switch portion is over 25 years old, then replace both parts.

It's a lot of money, but it sure beats walking.


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Mr Bentwrench #651674 05/06/16 7:55 am
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Well, I pulled the ignition key assembly and can find absolutely no numbers or date codes anywhere on the body nor any way to access the cylinder release pin. Crap.

I found a complete replacement from www.classicbikeshop.co.uk for $36.68USD shipped to the US. Not bad. It's quick, painless and does get me a completely new lock with new switch contacts.

I thought I was being so handy and clever with the replacement key or cylinder but sometimes you can fix things better, faster and easier using your checkbook. ;)


My 1967 BSA A65T Thunderbolt parts bike rebuild project is kicking my ass. (wife's '75 T160 on deck)
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Mr Bentwrench #651678 05/06/16 8:02 am
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First make sure it says "Lucas". Reproduction parts look like Lucas, but didn't bother with the identification step.

1967 switch may have the numbers hot stamped into the black plastic portion, along side the terminals. Or they could be stamped into the metal portion of the housing. These numbers will be tiny, about .08 inches tall. Not cast in, but added at the time of manufacture.

Look again.


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RF Whatley #652706 05/13/16 9:03 pm
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Several times, I have gone down to the [really] old and knowledgeable lock shop on 5th Ave. here in Cols., with the key-less item in hand, and walk out with however many fitted keys I want, for less than that $40 mentioned...

Been a few years since I needed to do that tho'...

The locksmith is still there, if you are coming up for mid-o, before the weekend?

Just get off north bound I-71 on 5th Ave., go west. It'll be on the left side.
I believe if you get to Third, you will have missed it.

Funny thing; there is/was an old electrics shop across the street, they still had a "growler" in house!
... Again, been several years since I saw it....

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