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Gold Star advice for newbie ...
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I'm looking for a Gold Star for my retirement. Over the years I've had many old bikes, Sports cars and boats as projects.

When I first started riding Goldies and Velocettes were cheap but not suited for a daily commute across London (47 sets of lights etc.) so I had Triumph twins.

Now living in France I see they are rare here.

What do the guys here think about this one ?
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The info says :

Boîte RRT2
Jante alu borrani racing
Frein 190mm double came Eddy Dow
Magnéto racing refaite à neuf en Angleterre(Dave Lindsley)
Réservoir alu lyta
Embrayage a courroie Bob Newby racing
Piston 1 ère cote
Té de fourche Eddy Dow superleggera
Selle artisanale US spécifique gold star racing
Visserie inox polie
Embiellage Jawa (solidité et couple)
Trés belle preparation,machine sympa,fiable et puissante.

Embiellage is crank ... why use a Jawa crank ?

I've asked for numbers and the reply I got was :

Numero carte grise et cadre:CB 324812
Numero moteur:DBD.34.GS.4812

Carte Grise is registration log book and cadre is frame.

I always understood the frame and engine numbers were not matched ?



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Re: Gold Star advice for newbie ...
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Originally Posted by mpprh
Embiellage is crank ... why use a Jawa crank ?

That would be out of a Jawa 500 speedway motor.

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I've asked for numbers and the reply I got was :

Numero carte grise et cadre:CB 324812
Numero moteur:DBD.34.GS.4812

Carte Grise is registration log book and cadre is frame.

I always understood the frame and engine numbers were not matched ?

Yep. The engine number is 1960, the frame number is 1957.

It's a nice looking custom Gold Star, though. I'll bet it's not cheap.

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mpprh #645362 03/23/16 6:15 am
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Good looking bike, It looks like it has a Concentric carb instead of a GP, but that will probably make the bike easier to live with.


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Shane in Oz #645368 03/23/16 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by Shane in Oz
Originally Posted by mpprh
Embiellage is crank ... why use a Jawa crank ?

That would be out of a Jawa 500 speedway motor.


Yep. The engine number is 1960, the frame number is 1957.

It's a nice looking custom Gold Star, though. I'll bet it's not cheap.


So the matching frame and engine number looks rather dodgy ?

I guess the Jawa crank is from a 500cc single speedway bike. Is that an acceptable upgrade ?

This bike probably originated in UK judging by the Eddie Dow additions.

Anyone got any idea of value ?


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mpprh #645378 03/23/16 9:59 am
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The seat is from a GSOC member in Leeds.

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Why use a Jawa crank? It is less likely to break and cut your engine in half.
That is a very sweet looking goldie :bigt smile


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Re: Gold Star advice for newbie ...
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Originally Posted by GS DAVE
The seat is from a GSOC member in Leeds.
I realize the seat was made to dip down to make it easier for shorter riders to touch the ground. However, although it's a matter of taste, but to my eye it gives the bike the look of a swayback nag that has carried too many overweight riders in its long life, rather than the sleek lines of a thoroughbred race horse. Also, it would force the rider to always be in the same spot on the seat rather than being able to reposition himself for comfort on a long rider. I also wonder if the "gentler" parts of the body would enjoy being relentlessly pressed up against the rising front of the seat even on smooth roads, let alone rough ones.


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I have the same seat fitted to mine, plenty of room for your arse.
A standard seat looks to be comfier but imo the seat compliments the lines of my Lyta tank.
Plus my missus won't go near my bike even if it had a standard seat. (Bonus !!)
She's frightened of scratching it :bigt

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mpprh #645413 03/23/16 3:10 pm
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mpprh,
that's a nice looking bike but hard to tell from a photo if it is the real deal. See if you can get a photograph of the engine and frame numbers, sometimes the font of the lettering is a give a way that it has been re stamped,in my experience it is usually the frame number that is re stamped as it can be welded, sanded and painted, bare aluminium crankcases are much harder to re stamp and hide it but not impossible. On the other hand it could be a genuine matching numbers bike but from BSA records the engine is 1960 and the frame is 1957, so unless there was a frame sitting around the BSA factory for three years before it was used...........

This is about the seventh matching numbers Gold Star I have came across from seeing them in the flesh, eBay, and the internet, most BSA's did not have matching numbers until 1968, check this out http://www.bsaownersclub.co.uk/engineandframenumberintro.html

Be very careful before you buy anything with Gold star name on it, there is a very high amount of forgeries passed on as genuine and that is what really annoys me, someone passing it off as genuine to make a few thousand pounds. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, if you like the bike and are happy, then go for it.

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mpprh #645414 03/23/16 3:21 pm
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What's going on with the front forks? spacers above the spring shrouds


BSA B31 500 "Stargazer"
Greeves 200 "Blue Meanie"
Greeves 350
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Jawa 500 "Llareggub"
Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
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Andy Higham #645418 03/23/16 3:42 pm
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Taylor Dow top yoke is about 1 3/16" lower than standard, thus the springs do not compress the spring covers up-to the bottom yoke.
The spaces do look odd in length though.
Maybe due to steering damper being in the way of the angle of photo.

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Interested to know what's attached below the red counter ?

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GS DAVE #645431 03/23/16 5:36 pm
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Hi
When the Superleggera fork yoke is fitted, matching extra long fork top bushes should be fitted to get the spring compression correct
This reduced fork travel and also added rigidity to the forks
Obviously didnt happen in this case!!

John

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chaterlea25 #645437 03/23/16 6:02 pm
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The extended top fork bushes have nothing to do with the springs or spring shrouds.
The longer bushes sit further into the stanchion, giving extra support to the extended forks due to the yoke being lower.
The longer bushes also start the poor damping sooner too.

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The spring shrouds only come loose and vibrate when the forks have no load on them, as in if you ever manage to wheelie one cry
when the bike is on the center stand with the wheel off the floor, or if like me when you ride on the pi** poor Derbyshire roads.

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Having two Goldies with TaylorDow alu top yoke, I have a bit of experience I believe. Here's some info and I'm probably repeating the other gents comments, but....

As this yoke has the stanchion taper about 1" lower than the OEM yoke, 1" over length upper bushings need to be fitted as has been mentioned to eliminate the 'chopper effect'. My over length bushings were made by my GSr friend Peter Huber in GER. I suspect the pictured GS doesn't have the over length bushing. An easy fix. I've long thought if you can't obtain over length bushings it would work to fit a 1" length of a discarded bushing below the OEM upper bushing. You may loose a bit of fork rigidity over having the long bushing fitted. I dunno.

I've fitted the shorter A65 tubes in one bike and the shorter modified Victor tubes in the other. This was done for better 'turn in' than OEM. These forks are 'rod dampened', unlike the 'imaginary' dampening in the OEM GS forks.

Strangely the TaylorDow yoke doesn't have a clamp for the yoke spindle tube. However this doesn't seem to be a problem. It seems it would be doable to slot the yoke at the spindle bore and fit a clamp bolt. I'm certain others have done this. If I were using this yoke on a racer I would certainly want to machine away-hollow out the excess alu in this lump.

And while we're talking forks .. A GSr gent in Denver made me several pairs of rubber 'washers' that fit between the steel washer on top of the spring and the bottom of the lower yoke. As OD is a snug fit in both the Clubman fork spring cover and the cup the top end of the gaiter is clamped to.
This washer will prevent water seepage from getting into things. The gent made me 'washers' in both 1/8" and 1/4" thickness.
The reason for mentioning this is I will sell my excess washers for ummm $5 + $1 postage a pair to good homes.

That Goldie sure looks like a nice one and would certainly be enjoyed by me!


Dave - NV
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Hi
[quote][/quote]The extended top fork bushes have nothing to do with the springs or spring shrouds

Dave NV has explained

The longer bushes effectively shorten the overall fork length
without them the springs would be have less preload by the offset on the TD yoke

John

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Yep sorry John dropped a bollock there, was recalling mine when the previous owner had left the standard bushes in..

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This is a timely topic, and I don't want to engage in thread veer, but I'm having my forks rebuilt, and had thought to put those black steel covers on in lieu of the collapsible bellows or gaiters. Other than the covers, is there anything else I would need to change or modify.

Sorry if this veers too much.

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Stubb


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mpprh #646162 03/28/16 4:19 pm
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Found another locally.

The ad says "500 DBD 34 GS 1956 ,boite T2, très belle restauration Hugh Mackie NY,cgc, propriétaire depuis 6 ans prix ferme, virement ou espèce"

I've emailed him for frame/engine/gearbox numbers with no reply.

I understand Hugh Mackie is well regarded ?

What do people think ?

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cgc is reference to the registration papers

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Originally Posted by mpprh
What do people think ?
What I think is that you are asking the impossible. It's a pretty bike, and the seller certainly must want at least €15,000 for it. But, does it actually have the right gearbox, or a counterfeit? Are the gauges correct and do they work? Will the magneto fail when it warms up? Are the numbers restamped? The list goes on, and on.

Nothing that people here can tell you based on looking at the photograph will keep you from potentially paying €5000 too much for a bike that looks pretty.

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Demande lui une photo des numéros de carter moteur. Le DBD34GSxxxxxx et les numéros qui sont à l'avant du carter au niveau des fixations au cadre. Tu y verra un peu plus clair

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What do people think they are seeing of that frame?
Is it a GS frame or a nice B series frame?

Que es El Frame Numero?

(errr, that's not French izzit...hmmm.)


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