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I have bought an American motorcycle!!! #580859
01/13/15 9:36 pm
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Well, I'm glad I wasn't one of those who was bustin' on Shaun for buying an Amurican motor. Cause I have gone and done it myself.

I have crossed the line in the sand and purchased an American motorcycle. I am watching movies of Easy Rider, Hell's Angels on Wheels, and Wild Hogs so I can accustom myself to the American "Biker" lifestyle. I may soon no longer be fit to manage our British bike club and the members may consider finding a replacement. Yes, I now own a motorcycle from that fine American Institution...... Montgomery Wards.

It's a '68 Wards Riverside Mojave 260. The main feature of this bike is rust plating which is much easier to maintain than chrome plating. It's fuel efficiency is only matched by other non-running cycles and basket cases. Another good feature is that I am trading unreliable Lucas Electrics for the gold standard of electrics - Magneti Marelli (!).

You may know about this bike - it was made by Benelli for Wards and the American market. Benelli made a metisse frame with a Rickman-like body style (of steel). The frame was designed to accept several engine sizes. Benelli had a prototype with their 650 twin Tornado engine installed (and bigger brakes). The Wards bikes were offered with the 260 or 360 singles but all are the same frame and body.



I plan to attempt to get the 260 engine operational. However I am looking for a donor engine for this chassis. I will need a (British) two cylinder 500/650 or 750. Single carb preferred but two carb OK.
Please look in your sheds, attics, basements and see if you can help me out!

Remember about two weeks ago I was asking questions about these bikes? I want to thank the forum for the help I received in that regard. All the comments were appreciated. There's a very good Yahoo group for the Wards bikes so I won't have to pester y'all anymore with it.
I probably paid too much for this rusty hulk but these models are not plentiful. Who knows when I might get another chance.
I will be tinkering with it to get it started, but just so you know where my priorites are - I just sent the Interceptor carbs to get the slides sleeved. And next on my shop list is to recommission my Bonneville which needs some TLC.

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'68 Mojave 260

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #580863
01/13/15 9:55 pm
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What a score!

Nice, with a T100 engine and some better wheels you'll have a budget Rickman!
I like the frame, it offers up some serious underslung protection for the cases.

Don in Nipomo

Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #580866
01/13/15 10:11 pm
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Well, all is not lost. At least your choice of prospective engine is on the money! Good luck with the project. Look forward to seeing the finished article. Saw a similar project in a magazine a few years back ( Triumph twin engine, of course ) and it really looked the business. The only problem was squeezing in the exhausts, between exiting the head and the frame down tubes, but this wasn't insurmountable. And the finished product did look good.

Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #580870
01/13/15 10:37 pm
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sorry....not American...Italian. so you can still stay here! Good for specials for sure. Triumphs in them are common. The worst alignment issue is the swingarm pivot is high in the frame, so the engine will sit high in the cradle in the stock position. I have a honda 400 in mine. Single carb in the best fit. I took a cm400 twin carb, made a single manifold for a 34mm mikuni.

VERY flexible build platform. vintage MXer use them alot. the frame is WAY overkill.

I have NOS set of bodywork for it; just in case I buy another some day. Also. some other NOS bits - wheels and such.....

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #580873
01/13/15 10:56 pm
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Is the Honelli yours?
Very nice!

The bodywork is all metal? I'll have to start looking closer.
I see one or two a year.


Don in Nipomo

Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: D.Bachtel] #580874
01/13/15 11:01 pm
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Yes, built it several years ago. Sold it, bought it back. Its my reliable winter, electric start hack. bulletproof! for when the other crap I have won't start! lol.

front end is Honda. swing arm is half honda, half benelli. Home made exhaust. Italian Silentium silencers. Today I have grill guards on them for "style" purposes!

Swingarm detail: benelli where it goes into the frame, honda at the hub. welded it up and torch bent it to align the sprockets.

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #580878
01/13/15 11:56 pm
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I like any thing with a motor.... Love everything with style (and a motor )

Congratz bigt I love it


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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #580892
01/14/15 4:42 am
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Al..., let me enlighten you a little bit, the only American thing on this bike is probably the Wards Riverside badge on the gastank, and it has apparently fallen off your bike a long time ago. (just joking). I know from experience that Italian rust is the best. laughing

Anyway, nice bike, and welcome to the club of Benelli owners. bigt

Cosmopolitan motors was the importer for these machines in the States, the owner (Larry Weis) has terminated his business due to old age, and has recently sold his inventory to a guy in Germany, who trades under the name Benelli Bauer. (check his website)
He is now in the process of sorting and cataloging the parts, and may be a source for parts in the near future.
I realize that this may be good news for Benelli owners in Europe, and not so good news for you guys in the States, since cost of shipping may add up considerably to the parts prices.

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #580900
01/14/15 7:52 am
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See what you started Shaun?


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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Peter R] #580904
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Originally Posted By: Peter R

Cosmopolitan motors was the importer for these machines in the States, the owner (Larry Weis) has terminated his business due to old age,


I grew up around the corner from there! Bought my first pair of Sidi boots from Larry.

Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #580937
01/14/15 1:10 pm
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Quote:
See what you started Shaun?
laughing

Al lad, well done, you're on the right line with that lad, although being Eye Tail Ian, you'll be having fun with the wires.. cry

Be careful saying American Motorcycle on here lad, I said it once, but I think I got away with it.. wink


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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Kent Shaun] #580949
01/14/15 1:59 pm
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Wiring?????? the entire harness has, maybe 8 wires! lol. CEV stuff though...makes Lucas look GREAT! that PMCO lens is a trailer / truck lens that usually winds up on these bikes once the CEV one turns pink and falls off.....


Originally Posted By: Kent Shaun
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See what you started Shaun?
laughing

Al lad, well done, you're on the right line with that lad, although being Eye Tail Ian, you'll be having fun with the wires.. cry

Be careful saying American Motorcycle on here lad, I said it once, but I think I got away with it.. wink


Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #581117
01/15/15 3:32 pm
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Congrats on your new old bike. My good friend Paul, who has done all the machining on my long term "T140 Café Project" http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=571326&page=1 is currently tearing down his "Café ala Carte" Mojave frame/Suzuki Savage engine project for painting, polishing, and powder coating. Here is what his assembled bike looked like, but take a glance at the prior pages, too (links in his first post of this thread): http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1378864265/14. Incidentally, we met when Paul posted on the Yahoo Wards group looking for a bare Mojave frame, which I just happened to have.

Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Kent Shaun] #581118
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Be careful saying American Motorcycle on here lad, I said it once, but I think I got away with it.. wink

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #581257
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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #581311
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What I find interesting is that Monkey Wards and Sears and Roebuck, whose business models marketed foreign manufactured motorbikes as well about everything else you could imagine, both declined precipitously starting in the sixties. Growing up, virtually everything in our home (other than food) came from Sears or Wards. there wee no other choices. My father always preferred Wards...in fact until a few years ago I had his ancient Wards garden tiller. I worked on the original motor till it would run no more. I put another motor off a lawnmower motor on it and ran it for about ten more years till the drive finally wore slam out. How could those giants in merchandising fall so quickly and so far. A nice find in the Wards motorbike. Seen many more Allstates from Sears.

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #581315
01/17/15 12:14 am
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I've always wanted one of the 50's Sears Allstate (Puchs) 125's. Lots of the 60's Allstate 175 or 250 twingles show up, but seldom do I see one of the 50's 125's.


Puch's, Vespa's, and Cushman's


Sweeeeet little hard tail fan cooled Puch 125 (not mine but wish it was)

My Wards Riverside 125 restoration - Wards Riverside 125 Resoration

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Mr Mike] #581321
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Originally Posted By: Mr Mike
What I find interesting is that Monkey Wards and Sears and Roebuck, whose business models marketed foreign manufactured motorbikes as well about everything else you could imagine, both declined precipitously starting in the sixties. Growing up, virtually everything in our home (other than food) came from Sears or Wards.

No Monkey Wards in Knoxville, all we had was JC Penny for clothes and Sears for everything else. Until they opened a Kmart on this side of town. To this day, if I ask Santa for clothes they come from Penny's, if I ask for tools they come from Sears. Now, all of them are in trouble from Wally World. mad
I remember drooling over the Allstates. Every time we shopped at Sears my parents knew where to find me.


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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #581322
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There's an idea for Walmart, they could start selling Chinese motorcycles and badge them as "Wallstates"

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #581351
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It is interesting to see the decline of the catalog stores when today we buy so many things from the electronic version of the catalog - the internet. Even though Sears is on the internet they are still failing - a local Sears will be shutting its doors soon.

As a side note Sears website is nearly impossible to use because they offer so much product from other vendors that you can't find their own products. Try looking for a specific tool.

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #581445
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I see where a nice original unrestored Mojave 260 did not meet reserve at $3500 on eBay.

I think catalog store's glory was that everyone had a department store right in their bathroom. Just pick up the book and look.
For the longest time Sears had WLS on a lot of things they sold. Worlds Largest Store.
In the days before interstate highways, a lot more rural living and a mentality of just running down and getting something when you wanted it did not exist. Sears and Wards flourished.
I remember as a child living in rural New Mexico in the 1950's that we did not just "run down to the local store" when we needed something. The closest major town with stores was 14 miles away. We went once a week (or less) on Saturday with our list of stuff that we added items to all week.
One of the places we went was Sears Retail/Catalog store. I liked it there, they had those wonderful TV's on display that were turned on and you could watch. Nestled back in the mountains we had no TV station that could be received at our home. I remember when a TV station was finally built that we could receive. We got our first TV when I was 13 years old in the 1960's, guess where we bought it: Sears on revolving credit.
When stores like Kmart, Large Sears & Wards Outlet Stores and many Other's became common place in much of the country, people got the "I want it right NOW" attitude. Waiting for something to be shipped in after you ordered it versus just going and getting it became unacceptable. Isn't it strange that we have come full circle and now many people order online and wait for it.
Local Competition put most Catalog Retailers under.
When I was young I thought NO ONE could outdo the Five and Dime Places like Woolworth's. Kmart did, which the same thing could be said for them, NO ONE could unseat them as top retailer. Walmart did. Who will be the one to outdo Walmart?, someone is in the wings (along with a change in peoples attitudes about what they are willing to do to shop).
This is, of course, just my opinion. There could be other factors such as Alien intervention or a Conspiracy against anything S&W such as Smith and Wesson, Sears & Wards, Studebaker & Willys, etc. smile

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #582125
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It amazes me that Sears and Wards and Penny's have reorganized time after time after time and each time they did not get it right. Back in the catalog days, it took nearly two weeks for us to get an order from Sears. Today online ordering is here in a couple of days depending on where it is shipped from. The big Sears store nearest us shut down this past year. Last year I ordered a part for my 30 year old Craftsman air compressor....no problem. Good things don't last forever! Great pics of some of those old motorbikes

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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: Al Eckstadt] #582145
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Sears recently alienated a large segment of its customer base by moving the manufacturing of Craftsman tools overseas. Lot's of angry ex-Craftsman guys over on the Garage Journal tool forum. IMO kind of a bad move, these were some of their most loyal customers.

On a different note, when I was a youngster in the 70's my mom bought most of our clothes at Penny's. I had a bunch of these polyester photo print shirts, but this was one of my fav's.



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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: kyrbz] #582211
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Originally Posted By: kyrbz
Sears recently alienated a large segment of its customer base by moving the manufacturing of Craftsman tools overseas.


WHAT??

i bought mail-order american boots from Mason in wisconsin for years, until the day "US made" disappeared from their catalog.

i called, and the nice lady explained that all their shoes were now to be made in china. i asked her to take me off their mailing list, and haven't been back since.

craftsman has now lost me as well.


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Re: I have bought an American motorcycle!!! [Re: kevin roberts] #582218
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Love it ot hate it, (well I personally hate it too), but your German/French/Italian/Swedish car would not run without parts made in China/India/Thailand etc.

I understand that Snap-on tools are made in Mexico today, and now Craftsman tools will come from China, we better get used to it, as this development will be very hard to reverse.
Chinese made stuff is not necessarily crap, they made high quality material for the aerospace industry too, you get what you pay for, even in China, but it is the skilled worker in the USA or Europe who is left by the wayside as a result, and few people seem to care.

What will happen next when the Chinese economy grows further, and the workers demand higher wages over there ?
Will our children/grandchildren see their stuff made in Africa ?

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