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Manx Barn Find #551284 07/04/14 12:52 pm
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I almost added this to another post.. but.. So two days ago..Wednesday. We have a weekly event called Shop Nite, at a large Machine Shop - Fabrication Shop in San Jose. You never know who will show up.. Our weekly favorite is Joe Leonard.

Anyway, one of the guys asks me to look at his new bike. Turns out he bought out some old racer's whole garage... a bunch of bikes and parts. His plan is to sell everything and keep the Manx.

Now I looked this Manx over very closely.. but I am not a "Manx" guy, so my knowledge has it's limits. But this bike was built way back when for Daytona by some guy named Francis Beart. (That data was included in the purchase). Then the bike was sold... Sadly the seller has lost his total memory of the bike and him racing it in AHRMA some time ago. It has AHRMA stickers on it.

This is a mostly original long stroke Manx. And he plans to race it again. Of course it needs to be completely gone through, especially if it had Castrol R in it. But I offered to help in any way I can. My pal is a very good Dtr racer and has never road raced... should be a blast to see him on it..!

Ron

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Re: Manx Barn Find [Re: Ron - in California R.I.P.] #551294 07/04/14 2:44 pm
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Beart was in the top 3 of Norton private tuners.Built motors for many of the top riders.

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Absolutely yes. Beart was very famous and one of the top tuners. The bike will have extra appeal to some for this history.

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Francis Beart, Steve Lancefield, Bill Lacey. The top private tuners of the time. But I'm surprised no one mentioned the Daytona 200 1949-50-51.

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Re: Manx Barn Find [Re: Ron - in California R.I.P.] #551443 07/05/14 11:13 pm
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Guys... yes I know who Francis Beart was... put that in for kicks.. Stooopid me did not take any pictures.. geesh.. my brain is not sharp sometimes.. But I will try to fix that... I offered to help the guy any way I can.. would love to see that bike back on the track, where it belongs.. too many old race bikes end up as coffee tables and such..

Ron

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We had figured you were "funnin" Ron. But as there's a Goldie where a Manx should be we weren't taking any chances.


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Re: Manx Barn Find [Re: Ron - in California R.I.P.] #551787 07/08/14 2:56 am
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Hi Ron,

You California boys are too sophisticated and subtle for us country lads :-)

And you never know with BSA guys !!

All booked for the Manx. The 250 Velo has been tested and goes into a box to be flown to IOM in about two weeks.

I think there will be at least 4 Kiwi bikes there (OK strictly speaking the Eldee is an Ozzie bike !!) and Bruce Anstey is riding one of Ken McIntoshes's bikes again.

John


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Ha, I even know the name,but not what he worked on...And you all know that Ron can play dumb like a fox... grin


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Re: Manx Barn Find [Re: Ron - in California R.I.P.] #551855 07/08/14 12:07 pm
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One of the best bike history books I've read, "A Single Purpose", Francis Beart biography written by Jeff Clew.


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Re: Manx Barn Find [Re: Ron - in California R.I.P.] #551872 07/08/14 2:47 pm
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Great... glad to see some dialogue here.. This bike is a swing arm type.. so a few years newer than in the pictures.. plus is has this tail section on it.. do not know when that got added on. I will try to get more info tomorrow nite...

John, you guys must be loaded to fly the bikes over...! But it does give you an extra month to prepare... wish I had just a few more days.. oh well...

Look me up.. we should have a tent in the top paddock area.. plus some of the other guys know me. I suspect my pal Cargo will have his "camp" near the toilets again.. hard to miss him.. harder to understand him.. Ooops...

Ron

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Ron, A long time friend in Ireland pulled this out of a shed a couple of weeks ago. Wrong front wheel but fairly complete. It has a known racing history in Ireland.

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I've never seen or heard a Manx....or a G50. I should pay more attention to local vintage events..


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Originally Posted by Hillbilly bike
I've never seen or heard a Manx....or a G50. I should pay more attention to local vintage events..

Nj motor sports park this weekend. show you one first hand.:-) Millville NJ fri sat sun


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At the IOM you can hear the big Brit singles from miles away, no other sound like it wink

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Originally Posted by Hillbilly bike
I've never seen or heard a Manx....or a G50. I should pay more attention to local vintage events..


For shame HB. You haven't lived until you've heard a barking single. This isn't a Manx but its a reasonable facsimile. A Weslake 500. Turn up the volume and enjoy the bark'

http://youtu.be/r5EBHbk3Ito


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Ron

The cost to fly versus by sea is not so different from NZ.

And it looks like we need the time. A visit to the dyno this week proved a bit of a disaster with a mag issues ruining the piston and liner. So new liner and piston are being fitted as I write.

It wasnt a ignition issue - basically a new mag drive belt broke up and sent stainless wire through the engine :-(((

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Better to have a failure at "home" than half way around the world.. See you there..!!

And I just have to agree with Komando.. the sounds on the IOM echo for a very long time.. nothing like it..!

Ron - 4 weeks to go...!

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Just talked to the guys.

Over the past three days.

- Stripped the engine,
- Fitted and bored new liner
- machined and fitted new piston
- changed mag back to gear drive (a lot of work needed to reposition mag, new machine new gear and modify points cam )
- modifying engine breather - driven off mag gear)

Now rebuilding the bottom end. Engine should be done by Saturday. Then back to dyno and off to Auckland to pack and send end of next week.

Do final faring fit etc. Amazing faring tank seat unit I am told. The owner is an internationally known kinetic artist who specialises in huge carbon fibre moving sculptures.

Busy boys. Its the first trip of a three year plan so the aim this year is to finish !!

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John, looking at making the trip over to race with you guys in NZ in January. I believe its going to happen.


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Hi Tim

Hows things? I missed your message because I have just returned from a quick trip to Australia to see my eldest get commisioned into the Australian Army. And managed to get home to Wellington for about 20 hours as well !!! 5 Days of travelling in 8 days. Around the world twice !!!

Its great to hear you are getting down at last. Im still working in Romania and so will not be there unfortunatly but if you need a place to stay - especially if you go southward just send me a PM. I guess you are coming to the Festival in Hampton Downs in February. Hope you have got a good bike. Mine is a bit dismantled for parts at present - when I saw it it seemed to have had a few things borrowed from it !!!!! Make sure you also go to the street races at Paeroa when you are there. Its about 100 km from Auckland and they run the meeting down the main street of the town. Mostly modern bikes but they usually have a few historics as well.

The Velo was going up to Auckland yesterday to go onto a flight this week. The plan is to finish this year and it will be a challenge. I saw the dyno readouts on the new engine and it looked exactly like what it is. A new engine at the start of development !!!

Good luck and hope it all works out. Ill give you a few names closer to the time but Chris Swallow is a good young rider to start with and he knows where all my older mates will be hanging out.

cheers

John


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