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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
Soupdragon #801790 03/18/20 11:55 am
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I've got a Road Model that I've turned into a Clubman. I believe that only 98 A50 Cyclones were sold in the UK, all in road trim.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Hi Vic
Got a picture of the Cyclone Clubman?
That's something I've been fancying building a copy of too. I have another A50 frame and a spare twin carb 500 engine.
My Cyclone not a UK Bike, the project was imported from the States; it's a 64 model.
So 98 UK bikes, anyone have any idea of total 64 & 65 Cyclone production?
I've heard that Wasps are thought to be under 20.
Thanks
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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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The Wasp info likely came from me. There are none listed in the original factory productions books. I personally looked at the books in 2010. According to the BSAOCUK Libarian, they were all built by special order off of the normal factory production line, and estimates less than 20 built. I have one, all restored back original factory specs.

I'm now working on a '65 Cyclone Competition. Also a rare beast.

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1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model)
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1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler
1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV
1965 Cyclone Competition Build
Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Very nice too, you we're lucky to find that!
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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Handlebars for my West Coast Hornet. It has the part # stamped on them.
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This shows the wall thickness.

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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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I guess I missed the handle bar question. Are those any different than the “West Coast” Lightning bars?


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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I’d like to see a photo of a Cyclone that is considered to be correct, if anyone has one to post.
Also, what would the frame ID likely be?


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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1964 Cyclone Competition


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Correct frame ID. No way of knowing unless a specific frame number is verified with the original factory production records. In '65, the Cyclone models and several other models had frame ID's starting with A50B 4001.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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KC I havent seen any originals bars on any of my hornets except the west coast. I didnt know that they were stamped so I posted a picture of them. They differ slightly from what you can get now.

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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Did you ever get the oil drain plug fixed on your west coast hornet so you can unscrew it
without cussing??

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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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No I did not. It's a real inconvenience. Can't move the tank up a bit temporarily because of the way it's mounted.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Gary I had the same problem. I loosened both sets of tank bolts on the frame. Used a tiedown strap like in the pic. Got it were it needed to be with the strap holding it in place. Then tightened everything down.

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Mine goes about that far to drain fine, but cannot unscrew it all the way out before it hits.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Mine goes all the way out and in I sent Gary pictures

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Any recommendations on where to find tank and side cover logos, decal, transfer or sticker, for a 68 Spitifire Mk IV?

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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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As Gary says, in 1964 the factory records apparently don't differentiate between a street and competition Cyclone. I am about to get mine road registered so I'll be speaking to the VMCC and I'll ask then to check mine out.
Mine had ET ignition, folding pegs and the tabs on the frame for the high pipes the same as my 65 Spitfire Hornet.
I have the 65 Hornet pipes on it at the moment, the Cyclone ones are straighter.
It's hard to find information on them. We only had that picture and the road test Gary posted as a reference.
I guess like the Wasp, for an extra few bucks, people bought the 650.....


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Originally Posted by linker48x
Any recommendations on where to find tank and side cover logos, decal, transfer or sticker, for a 68 Spitifire Mk IV?
Not the original water slides, but better: LINK


One thing to check on side cover decals: The checkered flag section should be split right down the middle left and right, so that the last row at the bottom is half white and half black. A lot of reproduction decals screw this up (they start with a full square in the middle) and it just looks "off"

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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Originally Posted by Soupdragon
As Gary says, in 1964 the factory records apparently don't differentiate between a street and competition Cyclone. I am about to get mine road registered so I'll be speaking to the VMCC and I'll ask then to check mine out.
Mine had ET ignition, folding pegs and the tabs on the frame for the high pipes the same as my 65 Spitfire Hornet.
I have the 65 Hornet pipes on it at the moment, the Cyclone ones are straighter.
It's hard to find information on them. We only had that picture and the road test Gary posted as a reference.
I guess like the Wasp, for an extra few bucks, people bought the 650.....

I HAVE A CERTIFICATE FROM A 1965 CYCLONE OWNER'S CLUB THAT STATES THAT MY BIKE WAS BUILT AS AN A50-2C Cyclone to BSA Incorporated, Nutley, New Jersey on the 28th July 1965. It was to Road specification.

IF THEY KNOW THIS BIKE IS IN ROAD SPECIFICATION WOULDN'T THEY ALSO KNOW WHICH BIKES ARE COMPETITION SPECIFICATION? OR DOES THIS ONLY APPLY TO 1965 AND NOT 1964?


I APOLOGIZE FOR THE USE OF CAPS. I CAN ONLY TYPE WITH MY RIGHT HAND SO USING THE SHIFT KEY IS BEYOND MY CAPABILITES.

The Devil is in the details.

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1965 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket "Clubman" (restored)
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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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That road test was an interesting read. What were they thinking puting a 21 tooth sprocket on? Not like that is a 2 minute job to change either. I tried those pipes and shields a few times. Never got the kickstart tangled like they did but I did get enough nasty incidental burns not ever to want one fall on me in a spill.


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Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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RE: West Coast Hornet large oil tank. Why won’t it fit on the standard frame. I might be wrong but I think the only frame difference is the lower lug for the tanks lower mounting bracket.
The tank itself looks like the smaller tank except for the added capacity where the
Tool box was.

Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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1967 BSA Wasp
1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model)
1967 BSA Hornet (East Coast Model)
1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler
1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV
1965 Cyclone Competition Build
Re: Hornet, Wasp, Spitfire Hornet, Cyclone (Restored)
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With the West coast oil tank not wrapping its way around the right hand frame tube like the standard version, does this mean that it can be removed from the bike via the right hand side, or like the standard type needs the mudguard removed to get it out?


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