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Victor tank paint code #407310 12/05/11 10:24 pm
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I seemed to have misplaced the yellow paint code for a VS tank, can anyone help? Txs


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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #407315 12/05/11 10:42 pm
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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #407316 12/05/11 10:42 pm
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Got it....

This is the one, very close if not perfect match

Spectramaster Yellow

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851J BRT ORANGE 75.4
150K B/C BALANCER 198.5
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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #407340 12/06/11 12:31 am
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The Victor special is an easy one, the basic idea is the tank is a match to the yellow background of the red/yellow tank transfer.

Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: pachy] #407343 12/06/11 12:46 am
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So... how come it never does?

Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #407379 12/06/11 4:22 am
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I'll back up Kommando on his reference to that paint thread. RAL 1003 Signal Yellow is correct. However when I requested that color from a local paint shop a couple of months ago they mixed me a can of something that was clearly incorrect. So I ordered a sample color chip over the internet from e-paint.co.uk. I brought the color chip to the shop and they matched it perfectly. I still have the chip if you need it.

Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #407396 12/06/11 9:06 am
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I used BSA decals without the yellow border so there would be no mismatch, the factory made an error when they specified the yellow border as can be read from the reviews in the mags of the time eg the decals looked cheap and nasty and had folds. I rang Classic Transfers and they custom made some red BSA decals to match the Victor decal but without the border. My painter used them and finshed them with 2 pack clear except for the polished alloy.

Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #408875 12/16/11 3:54 am
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I actually meant when using the original stickers (i have some here) if you match that yellow it will look better than if you dont, my years as a painter & paint mixer taught me that looking correct is better than "being" correct.

Manufacturers never produced one exact shade, each colour listed for vehicles always had 2 to 5 shade variations simply because the batches varied in the factory.

Its extremely unlikely that BSA tanks in that yellow were all the same shade variant.
Another big problem the industry had was that the tank paint will fade (as all paint does) at a different rate to the vinyl sticker so they wont match after 6months in ultra violet exposure anyway.
Next huge problem is that yellow pigmented paint has awfull coverage often its heavily influenced by the primer colour & number of coats applied, i & others in the trade always used primer of a similar colour to finish colour.

If you have vinyl tank decals made like on victors, i suggest you ask for (slightly more expensive) laminated finish, they fade less & you dont need to lacquer over everything as you often get problems putting paint over vinyl.

Personally i reckon the paint might have been bought in as correct but transparency problems & shade variation ruined the match as with the famous red Citroen BX cars with the plastic bonnets, they never got them to match in production.



Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #408877 12/16/11 4:12 am
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Just to clarify ... Even if the BSA transfers turned up slightly wrong colour BSA wouldnt have continued doing it wrong for over 2 years a fresh batch of stickers isnt expensive.... Mind you, they made a barrel that was a terrible match to the head fins for a couple of years didnt they
:-D

Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: pachy] #408878 12/16/11 4:37 am
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Originally Posted by pachy
I actually meant when using the original stickers (i have some here) if you match that yellow it will look better than if you dont, my years as a painter & paint mixer taught me that looking correct is better than "being" correct.


Well, ok. I'd say this one is both [looks correct and "being correct]. It's Spectramaster Yellow with the formula posted previously, matched to the bottom of an NOS tank.

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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #410136 12/24/11 6:54 pm
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An example of a tank painted using a red only decal,

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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #410178 12/25/11 1:25 am
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I like it!


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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #784730 09/18/19 11:53 pm
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Any reasons why the above pictures are out of focus?


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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #784752 09/19/19 6:14 am
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Photobuckets latest trick is to blur the images.

Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: kommando] #784755 09/19/19 7:23 am
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Originally Posted by kommando
Photobuckets latest trick is to blur the images.


A sure fire way to loose everyone’s business I think.


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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: pachy] #784775 09/19/19 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by pachy
Just to clarify ... Even if the BSA transfers turned up slightly wrong colour BSA wouldnt have continued doing it wrong for over 2 years a fresh batch of stickers isnt expensive.... Mind you, they made a barrel that was a terrible match to the head fins for a couple of years didnt they
:-D



The colour would have changed slightly on a shift by shift basis, even catalogue images didn’t match the production bike (ie 1968 firebird) they made what they made.

A good example is I have 2 parts in original dove grey paint, one from a foot rest (not seen any UV light) and the other from a battery tray, probably seen some dirt but little UV, whilst they look similar they are both very much a different colour. So you find one you like and get a copy of that.


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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #784785 09/19/19 3:13 pm
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Its not only the paint colour that would not be consistent back in the day. Even if today you use modern technology to get an exact match to the decals in your hand after a few years the decal and pain colour will not match, the dyes in the paint and the decal are not the same and will weather from UV exposure differently.

Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #784869 09/20/19 6:09 pm
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A comment about the original BSA Victor Special "stickers":

They SHRINK over time, leaving a gooey glue rim around the edge that attracts and holds dirt.
Also, they didn't conform well to the shape of the tank.

I prefer waterslide decals for that reason, and also they are easier to "seal" under a clear coat.

Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #784943 09/21/19 10:34 am
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The decal never matched the tank from new.
If you read the period reviews you will see it was one of the against points at the time.

If you come across a cover photo in colour from a period mag you will also see that the two yellows are different.
Fairly sure Meppen mentioned the photo shoot ones had the BSA stenciled on the tank.


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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #784951 09/21/19 12:22 pm
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Update the missing link on my post and added a pic of the borderless decal on my tank.

And to save you scrollling back up the way.

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To unblur Photobucket in Chrome add and enable the Photobucket Hotlink Fix extension.


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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: kommando] #787329 10/17/19 6:11 pm
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Kommando that tank look great! I'm in envy. I hope to have my 69 up n about by spring

Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #787347 10/18/19 12:01 am
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Yes, Photobucket is a real pain. I ditched them years ago. Here are the images as they should be.

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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #787381 10/18/19 12:07 pm
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Re: Victor tank paint code [Re: davewillner] #787415 10/18/19 6:06 pm
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Morgan, I hope you have a strong right leg.

Victors can be a bitch to start.


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