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Dating Certificate #236313 02/06/09 4:36 pm
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Does anyone have the current email or web sight for the BSA Owners Club Dating Certificate.

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Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Richard Phillips] #236326 02/06/09 5:21 pm
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Richard,

As you may know, Brian Pollitt is no longer doing the dating certificates. The clubs librarian is coordinating it now. I have the address. I sent him a request over a month ago and have not received a response. I will send you an e-mail of the correspondence with Brian.


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1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model)
1967 BSA Hornet (East Coast Model)
1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler
1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV
Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Gary E] #236377 02/06/09 10:13 pm
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Steve Foden is doing the research for the BSAOC...he's a bit backed up since he is not really the dating cert guy.....so give him a chance....I just got my new cert a few days ago....
all good here!
Eric



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'70 BSA Thunderbolt
'68 BSA Spitfire Mk IV
'44 BSA WM20
'40 BSA WM20
'72 Honda CB750
'81 Yamaha XT500 (x2)

Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Spitfire44] #236402 02/07/09 12:29 am
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Eric, How long did it take for Steve to get it done?


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1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model)
1967 BSA Hornet (East Coast Model)
1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler
1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV
Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Gary E] #236407 02/07/09 12:48 am
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I think I sent the request around mid December maybe a bit earlier.
Eric


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'70 BSA Thunderbolt
'68 BSA Spitfire Mk IV
'44 BSA WM20
'40 BSA WM20
'72 Honda CB750
'81 Yamaha XT500 (x2)

Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Spitfire44] #236424 02/07/09 3:53 am
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So it took 2 months? That's terrible.


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1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model)
1967 BSA Hornet (East Coast Model)
1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler
1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV
Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Gary E] #236433 02/07/09 7:41 am
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From memory Steve is a normal every day human being, with a family and a full time job.
The records are not a 4 nanosec look up computer record but literally dozens of books, in poor condition with corrections, mistakes omissions and after additions so it dose take a little time to do each search.
While the BSAOA dose charge a small fee at commercial rates it would not pay for the time taken to pull out all of the volumes let alone find your bike from a bunch of engine & frame number when the records are arranged in despatch date & contract numbers.
It is something that is done ( along with his other club duties) as a labour of love.
Further more you can thank your lucky stars that the BSAOA managed to rescue these files from the pulping mill or they would not be available to you at all.

There are some groups that have this type of information that will not make it available to any one at all while others will allow you to search them yourself ( for a much bigger fee.
The RROC provides the same service for RR owners which is now done by a secretarial service so we get a 7 day turn around but it costs £ 75.00 .
I am sure that if you wanted to pay them the extra £ 50.00 they would happily give your request some priority.

I have nothing to do with the BSAOA but am the secretary of the BSAMCC of NSW which is just about a full time job in itself without my regular job and occasionally trying to find time to get some of my bikes on the road or even get one out for a ride.
So sit back pull the tops of a couple of cold ones and BE PATIENT.


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Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Gary E] #236440 02/07/09 10:20 am
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like we were saying........it's a lot of stuff info to go thru to find what we want.
I wasn't in a hurry....in fact, I even forgot that I sent out the request and then one day I got the reply in the mail...it was like christmas again!
Steve is a nice guy and very informative guy.

Eric




'74 Norton Commando Interstate
'70 BSA Thunderbolt
'68 BSA Spitfire Mk IV
'44 BSA WM20
'40 BSA WM20
'72 Honda CB750
'81 Yamaha XT500 (x2)

Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Spitfire44] #236497 02/07/09 4:37 pm
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Hi Richard,

Check out the new UK BSAOC website at www.bsaownersclub.co.uk

Steve Foden, who is temporarily doing the Dating Certificates, has to be contacted by snail mail. His address is on the website.

Also the charge for this service is only £5 for members and £10 for non-members.

I didn't realise that he had such a slow turnaround but, as it has been explained, this is not his normal position and he is only filling in until a replacement "Machine Dating Officer" is found.

Beezageezauk.

Re: Dating Certificate [Re: beezageezauk] #236502 02/07/09 5:16 pm
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Beeza, Thanks for the info. My request was sent the first week of January, so I have a bit more time to wait. I would gladly pay more for the service.

Trevor, I don't drink.


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1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model)
1967 BSA Hornet (East Coast Model)
1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler
1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV
Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Gary E] #237580 02/13/09 11:24 pm
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For overseas applicants requesting a dating certificate: Does the BSAOC accept international money orders in USD, such as can be purchased at any US Post Office????

My dang bank wanted the equivalent of £19 to issue a money order in pound sterling….which is about double the research fee!!


Bruce


Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Atlanta Bonnie] #237665 02/14/09 12:37 pm
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for small amounts I usually send £ cash which you should be able to get from almost any US bank at a knock down rate or if you are near an international airport go hassel some Poms on holidays.


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Poms on holiday, a dim and distant memory.

Re: Dating Certificate [Re: kommando] #237855 02/15/09 11:11 am
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I used to use a credit card number when dealing with Brian via e-mail. For security I would leave off the last four digits and then give them to him in a different e-mail when he indicated he was ready. I don't how it will work that way now having to deal with Steve via snail mail.


1967 BSA Wasp
1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model)
1967 BSA Hornet (East Coast Model)
1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler
1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV
Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Gary E] #237858 02/15/09 11:50 am
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Hi Guys, I've just been talking to Steve Foden who tells me that he has a PayPal account which is the easiest method of transferring cash and changing currency at the same time.

He said that if anyone wishes to use this system they can Email him at [email protected] and he will pass on his PayPal account details by return. I'm sure that this would be easier for both parties.

Beezageezauk.

Re: Dating Certificate [Re: beezageezauk] #237975 02/15/09 11:50 pm
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Beezageezauk,

Outstanding!

I’ll drop Steve an email.


Bruce


Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Atlanta Bonnie] #238253 02/17/09 11:29 am
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Good info Beeza. I sent Steve a note and he has already responded.


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1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model)
1967 BSA Hornet (East Coast Model)
1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler
1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV
Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Gary E] #238351 02/17/09 7:07 pm
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No problem. I'm happy to oblige and pleased to help you guys in any way I can. Let's hope that the turnaround can now be much quicker and the service easier on your pockets!!
Beezageezauk.

Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Gary E] #242096 03/10/09 12:52 am
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Received my dating certificate today! Very nicely done indeed.

I asked Steve Foden (BSAOC) about the certificate process, and with his permission, here are some insights of his……

“The despatch books (approx 500) have just been digitised but my priority is to have the 1950's bikes transcribed as they are listed by engines therefore it takes for ever to find a frame as it could be in one of several books and could be in rigid or sprung frame or swinging arm series which did not come down in any logical order. At least the unit A series are listed by frame and the late ones the engine matches the frame number. (mostly). I have been studying these books from when I had them microfilmed for the Science Museum in 1991 and they still throw up mysteries and in some appalling unfathomable handwriting. “


“I do about 40 letters a week on BSA's for the Club, the dating certificates are the easy part the retentions of origianal registrations can take up to 3 hours each and to date i have done 1500 of them. This I do in my own time as i have a full time job. Therefore i prefer to use what time i have left restoring and riding my BSA's …………”



Tried to get Steve to come on-line to discuss “Y” bikes (as I have one), but internet sites aren’t his thing. I did get insights from Steve though, and I’ll be posting that topic soon…as it always stirs some good debates.



Bruce


Re: Dating Certificate [Re: Atlanta Bonnie] #242180 03/10/09 4:18 pm
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I also received the dating certificate yesterday. Apart from the typos on it, it is nicely prepared.

It is interesting to note that this certificate indicates a despatch to an actual named person in an east coast state, not to the east or west coast distributors as the others have indicated. I would be interested to know more about that.

Steve also provide me with some interesting info regarding the A50 Wasp which I will be posting later on the Hornet/Wasp thread.


1967 BSA Wasp
1967 BSA Hornet (West Coast Model)
1967 BSA Hornet (East Coast Model)
1968 BSA Firebird Scrambler
1968 BSA Spitfire Mark IV

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