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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #401473 10/31/11 8:36 am
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You did a great job, looks just perfect !
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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #401659 11/01/11 2:50 pm
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... thanks all for the comments and your interest in this restoration over the last three years.

The hunt is on for my next project so hopefully I'll have a new restoration thread to start before too long.


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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #401715 11/02/11 12:17 am
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Very Very Nice indeed!The time it took you to do this restore really shows in the finished product.So how does it run?

Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #401721 11/02/11 1:08 am
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Bry, Here we go as you know how to do it HA Ha, this has been lying 30 odd years in a shed 1960 venom clubman 1 owner just down the road from you, Wish i had known you were needing a fuel tank as i have a spare. Must say very nice work indeed best thread i have seen.

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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: jays375] #401815 11/02/11 7:25 pm
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Originally Posted by jays375
Very Very Nice indeed!The time it took you to do this restore really shows in the finished product.So how does it run?


...thanks, it runs well but I've only done about 20 miles so far. Winter is rapidly approaching, so I'll leave it until next spring to run it in.


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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: jim.c] #401821 11/02/11 7:34 pm
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[quote=jim.c]Bry, Here we go as you know how to do it HA Ha, this has been lying 30 odd years in a shed 1960 venom clubman 1 owner just down the road from you, Wish i had known you were needing a fuel tank as i have a spare. Must say very nice work indeed best thread i have seen.

...cheers Jim, what a cracking clubman project, although IMO it would also look great running as is with just the oily rag treatment to bring out the patina. What do you have planned for it? Keep us updated on this one.


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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: jim.c] #401907 11/03/11 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by jim.c
1960 venom clubman
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As was suggested, a great candidate for the oily rag and ride.

or

Excellent "before" photo to contrast with a stunning "after" photo in a year or so...


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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #410534 12/27/11 9:35 pm
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Beautiful.....that's it!

Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #420741 02/25/12 7:24 pm
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Wow! Firstly I have to say I can't believe this is the same motorcycle I saw in the flesh 3 1/2 years ago - it's absolutely stunning! Your restoration has been so thorough - this has to be one of THE best Venoms around.


An absolute credit to your skills and patience. A simply beautiful result.


Safe riding Bry - being in Scotland, you have some of the most perfect roads for vintage motorcycles. I hope you have many happy years with the Velo.



So.


What's next?(!)



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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Dawg] #422229 03/03/12 4:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Dawg
Wow! Firstly I have to say I can't believe this is the same motorcycle I saw in the flesh 3 1/2 years ago - it's absolutely stunning! Your restoration has been so thorough - this has to be one of THE best Venoms around.


An absolute credit to your skills and patience. A simply beautiful result.


Safe riding Bry - being in Scotland, you have some of the most perfect roads for vintage motorcycles. I hope you have many happy years with the Velo.



So.


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...thanks for the comments Dawg.

I'm still on the look out for my next project, maybe prewar but who knows what'll turn up!

Bry


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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #426791 03/28/12 11:09 pm
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�I�ve been taking advantage of the unusually good weather recently to get the first 200 miles on the Venom.

In general the bike is running well with no major problems or oil leaks showing yet.

The only thing that I was really concerned about was the lack of effectiveness of the front brake. Although this is a SLS design, from what I have read about this type of Velo� brake I felt it should be much better. I allowed 100 miles to let the new linings bed in (even although they were turned to size), but there was really no change. I then rechecked the brake plate centralizing with no improvement, so then removed the wheel and brake to check the linings and drum. The wear did seem to show even surface contact and there was no sign of glazing or any oil or grease contamination and the drum run true.

After a bit of investigation of my options I decided to convert the shoes to be semi-floating. The existing arrangement uses a fixed fulcrum ��pin, that the ends of the shoes are a close fit on. I milled the shaped end of each shoe that fits on the pin to give 3mm free float using a �� dia end mill cutter. I also removed some of the lining on the actuating cam end of the trailing shoe and increased the existing bevel on the leading edge of the leading shoe.

Following a test ride tonight I am very pleased with the result as there is a significant improvement with a strong progressive feel to the brake. Obviously I am not suggesting that others try this as messing with the maker�s original design when it comes to brakes has risks with potentially very dangerous consequences, but this modification certainly seems to have worked for me.

[Linked Image from s20.postimg.cc]

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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #427042 03/30/12 5:09 pm
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Looks like a sensible modification for the front brake indeed.
I was considering something similar for my Goldie.
Another option for your Velo would be a TLS brake from a Thruxton, looks great too !


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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #439090 06/07/12 11:28 pm
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�after only 600 miles I was concerned at the amount of stretch on the primary chain. I have been running the primary dry (after concluding that the primary cases would never be oil tight due to the design) and using chain lube on the primary chain after each run. I was expecting faster wear on the chain than if run in oil but this was too much stretch too soon. Having been concerned about the quality of the Reynolds chains that I fitted (the rear chain has also needed several adjustments in this time) and after a telephone call to The Chain Man (http://www.the-chain-man.co.uk/) I ordered a replacement endless o-ring IWIS chain for the primary (which I will run dry) and an IWIS none o-ring chain for the rear. Just got them fitted tonight, hopefully the rain stops for a bit soon so that I can go for a run to try them.

[Linked Image from s20.postimg.cc]

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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #439133 06/08/12 5:43 am
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That brake thing is clever. I've opened out the hole in the centre of the brake plate on my 57 Norton for a similar ish effect.


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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #441542 06/23/12 2:27 am
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You could run a chain oiler to the Primary chain.

Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #447556 08/04/12 10:36 pm
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...I made a short video during a ride up a local mountain pass on the Venom today.

http://youtu.be/A0XcC5Yhoh0


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What a beautiful bike, and it sounds wonderful


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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #447559 08/04/12 10:46 pm
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BEAUTIFUL bike and countryside!!!!!!!!!!! clap

Thank you for taking the time to share that with us....LOVE IT!!!!

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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #447631 08/05/12 11:41 am
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Loved the video!Not only are you talented with restoring motorcycles,but making videos.

Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: jays375] #448012 08/07/12 6:53 am
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Very good. Nice to see it being used. If I didn't know it was in Scotland, and seen some Uk road signs, I'd have said it was in New Zealand..


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Just wonderful, Bry! Watched it about six times, and shared the link with friends. What a beautiful sound, and the scenery wasn't anything to sneer at either.


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Re: '59 Velocette Venom [Re: Bry] #472487 01/15/13 8:19 am
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Just now looked at the video. Great, atmospheric, fun to watch. Now, the big question ... did that Velo really start on the first kick each time, or were there 60 kicks we didn't get to see .... wink ?

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Originally Posted by Bry
after only 600 miles I was concerned at the amount of stretch on the primary chain. I have been running the primary dry (after concluding that the primary cases would never be oil tight due to the design) and using chain lube on the primary chain after each run. I was expecting faster wear on the chain than if run in oil but this was too much stretch too soon. Having been concerned about the quality of the Reynolds chains that I fitted (the rear chain has also needed several adjustments in this time) and after a telephone call to The Chain Man (http://www.the-chain-man.co.uk/) I ordered a replacement endless o-ring IWIS chain for the primary (which I will run dry) and an IWIS none o-ring chain for the rear. Just got them fitted tonight, hopefully the rain stops for a bit soon so that I can go for a run to try them.

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You know I realy dont know if your going to get away running the primary dry.

If you look up chain design specifications These chain are actually being used way outside their original design limitations. When I used dry chain on 500 race bikes we oiled with good chain lube after every race. And even then they wore pretty fast. Thats why most serious racers go with belt drive. It actually cheaper in the long run when considering all the new chain replacement plus belts are lighter and more efficient.

But for the street you can get the original design oil proof using modern RTV gasket cements.

All this from a person with no Velo experience but I share a garage with several Macs, Venoms, a KTT and three racing MOVs including the Deiner DOHC MOV Eldee 2.

And very impressive rebuild !!!!!

John

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Originally Posted by Lannis
... did that Velo really start on the first kick each time, or were there 60 kicks we didn't get to see .... wink ?

Lannis


Ah the wonders of video editing!

It really does pretty much always start 1st or 2nd kick.


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Originally Posted by johnm
[quote=Bry]

...You know I realy dont know if your going to get away running the primary dry.

If you look up chain design specifications These chain are actually being used way outside their original design limitations. When I used dry chain on 500 race bikes we oiled with good chain lube after every race. And even then they wore pretty fast. Thats why most serious racers go with belt drive. It actually cheaper in the long run when considering all the new chain replacement plus belts are lighter and more efficient.

But for the street you can get the original design oil proof using modern RTV gasket cements.

All this from a person with no Velo experience but I share a garage with several Macs, Venoms, a KTT and three racing MOVs including the Deiner DOHC MOV Eldee 2.

And very impressive rebuild !!!!!

John


Thanks for the comments John, a belt drive was actually the next option if the o-ring chain proved to be inadequate. However I now have over 1000 miles on the IWIS o-ring chain and it has not required adjustment and still looks in good shape. Also - dry primary with a Venom is a relative term, as I still have the engine venting into the primary via the crankshaft breather, this creates an oil mist inside the primary case. So much so that I drain out a few cc's of oil from the primary case every few hundred miles, this also takes care of my other concern of "dry" running the primary of lubrication of the engine shock absorber.

Obviously an o-ring primary chain would probably not be a good option on a race bike due to the power absorption loss but on a road bike I don't notice this, and so far it has proved reliable, but time will tell on the longevity of this.

BTW that's not garage that you share, it sounds to me like a working museum!

Bryan


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