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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212321 11/28/07 1:09 pm
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Brian,

To edit a post you need to be logged in and then just click on the little pencil icon in the header of your post. That will reopen it so you can edit it.


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I for one never get tired of hearing bikes start and run . Especially nice when there has been a long hibernation. Congrats on a successful fire up .
BTW Have been a left leg kicker ever since my last crash . Seems easier to me now then the "old fashioned " way .
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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212323 11/29/07 6:51 am
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Hello JT441,

Thanks for the edit info smile

Hello George,

I didn't think I was the only left leg kicker out there. I was thinking it might be easier with a center stand. I may try to pick one up in the not to distant future. I did knee sugery 4 months ago. They tacked the catilage back to the bone. I am doing 20Lbs leg lifts now but still hurts like hell. I had an 8" plate taken out of my lower leg but the rod from my knee to hip stays. Leg is a half inch shorter now too. We need to make the best of what we have left huh?

I ordered a set of 45" cables this week from a company called Northern Eagle. I only went for cables but then looked at his sales list. I bought a set of progressive springs for $25.00 and a new dual throttle for $11.00. I am not one to pass on deals even if I was not looking for the item at the time. I also ordered a set of Avon Roadriders. They should be in this week.

Brian


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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212324 11/29/07 3:22 pm
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Northern Eagle is a good outfit.


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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212325 11/30/07 9:35 am
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Yes Grandpaul,

The owner of Northern Eagle, Dennis, seems to be a good fellow. He was Mr. Johnny on the spot when I wrote too. I had written to a few parts dealers in the last several weeks and still have not had a reply from most of them.

It occured to me I never said anything about the stock seat on the 71. I will keep it. I don't have rear sets and I am not sure I will. I would like the option of riding two up on the Bonnie. I ordered a Corbin gunfighter but will keep the bench seat for company.

I don't think the belt primary I have is being made anymore. That is about my luck. I was thinking it would be a good idea to pick up an extra belt and I know I will need a couple more oil filters. I would like to find the actual Fram number for the filters being used in the Noton kits. That filter number is 06-3371.

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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212326 11/30/07 2:21 pm
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a good filter for the norton is the NAPA1032


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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212327 12/01/07 7:52 am
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NAPA1032 as in from NAPA auto parts?
I did a search on the web for that number and nothing came up. I then went to NAPA auto parts and nothing came up then either.

With all the oil leaks on my bike I am not sure I even need a filter. I just found that there is a crack in my rotor cover. A small section is busted by one of the bolt holes. It leaks there and at the bottom of the cover. I cut my own gasket out of a thicker material than the stock gasket but it still leaks plenty.

I just found out today that the nut infront of the kickstart ratched was loose. I bet you know how I found this out. I had to take the gearbox case off again. Not a happy day for me.

I am going to do a search here for possible reasons for my left cylinder to be backfiring and shooting flames out of the pipe.

For some reason I can only tickle my right carb and get fuel if I set the bike right. It will not do it when it is on the kickstand yet the left carb spews fuel all over the place. I really am reconsidering the new carbs.

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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212328 12/01/07 3:31 pm
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Dip those carbs (the metallic parts) in Berryman's chem-dip for 1/2 hour, flush really well, and blast dry with compressed air. Run a single bristle from a wire brush through the passages as much as possible, and polish up everything that has a mating surface with 0000 steel wool.

Should run better after that.


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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212329 12/02/07 3:25 pm
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I was just trying to start an old single carb bike and couldn't get the fuel from the tickler.
The needle seat was gummed up and stuck together , so ,no fuel could come in the float bowl.
Still probably needs the soakin done, just something I ran into.


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it's the gold series 1032 from NAPA. a good filter to use because it has a low bipass pressure. As tested by Dyno Dave.


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Here are a couple things I learned in this past week. (I typed all this once but have to repeat it all due to a page freakout.)

The oil filter used on the Norton has metric threads of 16mm X 1.5mm pitch

Here is a list of part numbers that will replace the filter used in the Norton or in my case the Triumph filter or oil filters for Ducati Belt Drive engines.

Low bypass group 8-15psi
NVT pn 06-3371 10-14psi yes, I measure it
Crossland 631 probably 10-14psi
Mahle OC 5 12-16psi
Mann W713 13psi
MANN W712/11 15psi NN49
NAPA 1352 (Crossland 631 was once supplied) $8.99 jan 2000
WIPAC CA111 12psi yes
WIX 51352(OEM to napa)

The other thing I learned is, and most of you probably know this, that the JRC carbs and Keihin PWK 30 mm 30Js are the same thing. If you go to Keihin's web site you will not find a 30mm carb listed. JRC had the 28mm altered to 30mm. This was good to know because before I made a purchase I needed to know I could get parts someday. I wrote to JRC they gave me a dealer. I spoke to Dale at Specialty Spares. The purchase was made. I had already done the chem dip and stuff on the Amals. I am done messing with them.

There are two things I still would like to know.
There is a bike in the cafe section that is very close to what I have in mind. In fact, he has a set of pipes I like better than my original choice. The pipes used have a Thruxton adapter on the end causing the silencer to bend upward over 30 degrees, I think. If I was to use the Thruxton adapter would I still be able to use my passenger pegs? I wish to keep that option open should I ever want to go two up on my bike.

The other thing is I have no dip stick to check the oil level. If I knew the distance from the lip of the oil fill spout to what would be the oil fill line I could just mark a ruler or something to check it.

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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212332 12/04/07 1:29 pm
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Brian,

If you get logged out before you manage to post you message, hit the backspace button on your browser. The message entry screen should reappear. Highlight and copy your original message. Now log in again, go back to the thread, and paste your message as originally typed in the message box. That has saved me a lot of retyping!

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If you are done with the Amals, I could use them on my project. PM me we'll talk price.


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Great, it happened again. I hit backspace and there is nothing. So, here we go, probably a shorter version.

I got my new tires today. I pulled the wheels and took them to be mounted. I went for the new Avon tred, the Road Riders. It looks like the replacement for the Road Runner. In pulling the wheels I looked inside them for the first time, UGH!

I hear all the time Triumph brakes are no good. No wonder if they are trying to use metal studs to stop the bike. The shoes on both the front and back are worn to the studs. The drums seem okay. There is some surface rust but no pitting that I can see.

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Re: 71 Bonnie barfe. #212335 12/06/07 4:55 am
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Brian, Any brake lining that you can't make a mark in with your finger nail needs to be replaced, brakes have come a long way since 1971. Now time to think about those 1971 clutch friction plates same rule applies.


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Yes Norbsa,

I don't want to pull the primary cover. I am afraid I already know what is back there. I am going to just connect a cable and see what happens. I know I looked at the plates 6 or 7 years ago but I honestly don't remember what kind of condition they were in.

I got new rear conical breaks (made in Tiawan) still they look fine and they were only $16.00, again, new. The fronts are on the way. They were $36.00. I ordered them with my new pipes and mufflers. I wasn't going to buy new pipes but the neighbors were not to understanding when I fired the bike up at 11:00pm. They will be only slightly less understanding next time as I am putting shorties on it.

I posted in the general section today. I scanned a lot of images out of a Oct. 1952 copy of Cycle magazine. I found it in my Grandmother's attic years ago. There are some pretty damn cool pics in it.
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I tried to get some work done on the bike yesterday. I might have done more damage than good.

I bought some gaiters for it. I ended up breaking both of them trying to get them on the lower tube. I somehow managed to rip a nice chunk out of my thumb too.

I did install the progressive springs. It took a lot longer as I could not quite grip the top fork cap to push the spring down and screw it in. After I got the front end all together I realized when I went to put the tire on that I had switched the forks around and had to take it all apart and do it again.

I also managed to break a weld on my front finder. It was not a good night for motorcycle maintenance.

If I decide to replace the gaiters I think I will use the fork caps and let the gaiters just sit on top of them. It would probably not be that noticable or at least a lot less noticable than the ripped up gaiters I have now.

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Loosen the pinch bolts in the lower Trees Remove the gages and reinsert the top bolts in a good way tap them with a dead blow and they slide out. Now an easy job to do the gators.
You also could undo the the bolt up under the axle undo the seal holders and using the sliders like a slide hammer pop the seals out. The slider will come right off now, slide on the gator and reassemble about the same work ether way really.


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It was not to hard to pull the fork tubes. I did it once with them drained and once full. There was no easy about the gaiters. Getting them on the bottom tube was no fun and infact I didn't do it properly. I would have to buy another set before I try it again. I have other things to spend money on right now. Thanks for the advice though.
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I got the new Tires and brakes on. The micrometers on the front are turned all the way in and the brakes still rub a little. I don't know if I should let it go. I want to but what if they glaze on me? The wheel does still turn but not freely. The rear brake cam was frozen almost solid. I pulled it, hit it with the wire wheel and lubed it up. It seems happy now.
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Don't ya run those in and then back them off one click?


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Hey NorBSA,

You turn to the right then when it touches turn back left 2 clicks. The problem is I am all the way to the left.

I have lots of problems.

I decided I had to run a battery. The spark was not constant enough.

I retorqued the head gasket and tried to adjust the valves again. I confused myself The book reads wierd. Set the right piston at the top of the exhaust stroke then adjust the left set of valves. Why not just say set the left side to TDC and adjust the valves. That is right isn't it? I am going to read the forum and comfirm that. it's been a while and a long month.

Also the new JRC don't just bolt on. I cut one bolt back so it did not hit the choke but then it still does not fit tightly. The flange of the carb might be slightly thinner than an AMAL. I run out of threads and can not tighten it. I put an extra spacer in but still seems odd. I will try to double the gaskets.

I think I have rocker boxes from a 500 CC engine on my 650. Is that possible. It has the plugs to remove on the side so I can easily reach the valves to adjust them. I counted 9 bolts on the outside when torquing the head. Are there realy hex bolts inside?

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"Are there really hex bolts inside"
Yes, the two large bolts on top of each rocker box thread into the inner head bolts.
I pull those bolts out and access the heads bolts with a sawed off length off 3/8 allen wrench. I cut the wrench down just long enough to get a socket and torque wrench on it.


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Hello Shel,

Thanks for the reply. I have to take the tank off and try to adjust the valves again. I think I have it figured out now. I saw the 4 big bolts. I actually had oil weeping out of them though they were on pretty tight. I bought a set of hex ends for my ratchet set. I hope it is long enough to reach down in there. I did not want to remove the whole rocker box. That and the pic I have showing the torque partern only shows 9 bolts for a 650 and that is how many I adjusted. What I have does not show hex bolts inside. I only knew of them from reading here.

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I worked on the bike all day yesterday.

I had to time the thing again. My header pipe got bright red and it was kicking back. I don't know why it got out of time. I set it a month ago and have not had it running but the right cylinder was to far advanced. I am waiting for a another points plate.

The bike is running better but it will only idle around 1400 to 1500 and it still pops a and backfires a lot out the right side.

Just running it at idle the plugs are starting to soot up. I am going to move the needle up a notch. Also when I turn it off the egine continues to chug for a bit. Is this another indication of the carbs being to rich? I think it is but it has been a while.

I am missing the four screws that hold the clips for the rocker cover inspection caps. I am shooting oil all over the head making quite the oil smoke screen. The big bolts are not weeping I have some holes to fill. I have had those little screws on oder for a month and a half.

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