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Triton Picture #197850
01/19/07 12:47 pm
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Hi Picture of my Triton, (if the link works ! )

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Re: Triton Picture #197851
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That's nice!

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VERY nice! Perfect classic look - love the fork boots and beauty ring on the front brake (Tickle conversion?).

Re: Triton Picture #197853
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Definitely "[email protected]@K, kids - shiney!!!" But it does contribute greatly to the period look. And after all, the evocative era (aura?) is one of the reasons we're all into older bikes.

Re: Triton Picture #197854
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Originally posted by panic:
I wonder what they were thinking when they made those, was it "this is a real racing part, but only useful if you have a fade problem after repeated stops from 160 mph", or "[email protected]@K, kids - shiney!!!"
I guess some racing guy welded heat sinks/dissipators to his hub, so useless screw-on ones immediately appeared on the custom market.

But you know this.


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Re: Triton Picture #197855
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Bacon slicers certainly look the part on a cafe style bike. I don't know how effective they are on a street ridden machine though.


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Re: Triton Picture #197856
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How nice to see a decent looking oil tank with the curves to follow the frame curve as per 50s Manx rather than that ugly looking crap with a straight bit there.

Muffs were used on British race bikes which had prety crap brakes. The idea was to remove more fade creating heat. As I remember it they were SHRUNK on the drums and made from 1/4 ish alloy plate and once fitted tapered like a cooling fin which is what they were. Watched Tommy Mortimer shrink and turn a few cooling fins to Manx G50 and 7R drums for Francis Beart etc in my more youthful days. Of course as Jack Williams had visited Dunlop in 1949/50 to look at the disc brakes they were playing with I suspect that had he of had his way 7Rs and G50s would of had decent front brakes from the mid 50s on. Certainly his design note book of the time included pages of braking calculations......
The bolt on crap is exactly that.
Personally I never found the shrunk on discs made any noticable difference to fade on my road bikes.
Mind you neither did the jump from single leader /trailing with std linings to AM4 linings then to twin leader and then double sided twin leader.... Sure each one was an improvement but not after a few days when one had learnt one could leave ones braking later and later......Fade occured just the same.....

Re: Triton Picture #197857
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so far my favorite cooling rings are shrunk to fit between the spokes,ive heard that they can cause temp differences in the hub and cause distortion of the hope,if thats true or not i dont know

the other version is a 1 piece hub/ring from taylor dow

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Re: Triton Picture #197858
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Hi Glad that the pic worked and Thanks for the comments, I think that the bacon slicers are just a cosmetic thing, but do think they finish the wheel of really nice and give me something else to keep shiny !, the TLS is a John Tickle unit and ive never had any problems stopping with it, its 90% of the braking that i use, i do find the standard rear Norton unit lacking a bit.

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Bacon slicers rule
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Re: Triton Picture #197860
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just for once i agree with panic :
that bike is certainly not fit for a race track and useless on the road .
I bet it got there on a trailer .
(look at the colour of the pipes)

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There are many ways to approach this thing we call motorcycles. Obviously, since they are functional machines, one way is from a purely engineering perspective. This, as an engineer, is panic's default position. Another, and to my mind, semi-equally viable way, it from an aesthetic or artistic perspective. I would have personally done several things differently on the cafe racer in question, including all of those mentioned by panic (and I don't like red frames on britbikes, either ... except for maybe red Rapides). And I, too, suspect this bike was trailered in. But I don't really see anything wrong with that, because I strongly suspect the owner has other bikes that are both more functional and more ridden. This bike is meant to be artwork, and only the most banal art is universally appealing. This bike is not banal. The bacon slicers are an excellent example of the aesthetic approach. They are almost totally nonfunctional (as panic mentions, they actually have some detrimental effects), but they hark back to a period that this bike is meant to evoke, and therefore fit this bike just fine. If we're to take a position that bikes have to be purely functional, then every rigid bobber or chopper, every extended front end or small headlight, and every set of breaker points eek becomes a target for derision!

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Originally posted by J. Charles Smith:
If we're to take a position that bikes have to be purely functional, then every rigid bobber or chopper, every extended front end or small headlight, and every set of breaker points eek becomes a target for derision!
You mean they're not already!?!?

Bernie


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Re: Triton Picture #197863
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Re: Triton Picture #197865
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Hey Mole Man,
Super Good looking Triton ! Every Detail that I can see is pleasing. I hope you will enjoy riding it.
Personally I like the "look" of the (non- functional) cooling rings, _IF_ they are on machine that meets certain conditions or personal taste.

Other good examples are on pages 36 and 40 of "The Gold Star Book"

BTW I know the gent who owns the GS on page 40.
He doesn't care about unsprung weight issues.
2c


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Re: Triton Picture #197866
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Hey Nardi1 disregard the nay sayers. Its gorgeous despite being a red slimline. I've loved Tritons for a long time now and there is nothing wrong with yours. I could ride it all day. My butt is used to no padding and the stretch to the bars makes my back feel good. Bugger them all.


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Ill have any of those bikes parked in my garage any time :bigt:


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Re: Triton Picture #197868
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In the 60s the "cafe racer" scene produced a lot of "suppliers" of parts. I remember seeing bolt on slicers. 19/6 a pair I believe. On a Nardi's Triton they are not out of place. Tons of stuff was available for everything right down to Bantams. With the exception of the belt primary and diaphragm clutch Nardi's Triton is spot on. And there is no harm in having those items on his Triton. Makes sense. Cleaner more reliable and from what I've heard about diaphragm clutches they are dead light to operate. The Ace Cafe is gone. True there is a replica. Dave Degens original Triton was a Manx frame and a single carb Triumph motor. Does that make all Tritons that don't use a Manx frame or motors that don't have a single carb phonies?


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This bike is meant to be artwork,
(rolled of a trailer)
if so , then why bother putting expensive internals in the engine ?
would you equally admire it if you knew it had a wooden stub instead of a crankshaft ?
I believe everything should be what it pretends to be . If not , it's a fake .

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I like the bacon slicers and will be cutting smaller hole ones soon on the waterjet machine but I think that "bolt on" shiney can relate to gas tanks and off the shelf cafe stuff as well. I am making a cafe tank over 4gal now out of a Rickman tank and that is more the custom I think cafe is about...plus some blng I guess even back then they studded their jackets and dressed up posh-like and I am sure most used bailing wire somewhere [Linked Image] .
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Ludwig: You take "artwork" too literally. It's not just what you see. In the case of custom motorcycles, the art extends to what's inside the engine. In fact, the lack of function also extends to things like hot cams, shiny ports and balanced cranks, in the sense that the additional performance may be seldom, or never used. Besides, you are losing sight of the original point. The red-framed bike was very obviously meant to be a pretty showpiece. That does not mean it is disfunctional. The fact that it has no front fender was the owner/builders choice, and maybe it's never ridden except in the middle of extended droughts! That, the open primary, the bacon slicers, the pancake air filters, are all the owner's choice, which was my point. It is easy to look at our fellows' bikes and find things to nitpic. Yes, some flaws are worth pointing out, and my personal feeling is that proper engineering is a must. But pure functionality simply is not, or else we would all be advocating spray-bomb paint jobs.

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JC Smith , you are right .
I am too harsh .
Let the owner decide .

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Looking back at Nardi1's Triton and reading some of the remarks I would like to say that if I, and many others back in the 60s, had have had the money and the skill to build such a machine we would have done so and ridden it proudly. Tritons are something like '32 Ford roadsters. They have been around a long time and everyone is the same but different. Each builder builds it his way. Nadri1's Triton is his Triton and to me Tritons are art. His Triton is the same as other Tritons but different because its his and he built it his way. Were he to give me all those parts and have me assemble it it would turn out like you see it but it would be slightly different because I would make a number of minor changes. Changes to my taste nothing more. There is something sadly wrong when we get to nitpicking a beautiful machine.


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nn ,
is't a " Triton " strictly a Triumph engine in a featherbed frame ?
(or am I wrong again ? )

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I can't see how anyone would disqualy a unit Triumph engine in a featherbed. As the 500cc unit lump came out in 59, there would be plenty around to slot into a featherbed in the early 60s.

441, I love the way that tank's coming together. Good luck to you mate. I wish my tig welding was so good I would take on a task like that!

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